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Validity of Wikipedia links
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantkahless
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Hi out there,
at the moment I'm collecting negative votes on IMHO valid and working Wikipedia links.

E.g. My link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_%28film%29

A user (apparently mostly the same) is voting negative on all those (working) links and replaces them with his own links like:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_(film)

Many other links than Wikipedia have a similar syntax without any negative votes on it!

Just curious what you think about this. Do my links violate the rules? 

Help and advisory appreciated!
Thorsten
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I been seeing the same thing... I don't believe the links violate any rules what so ever... not that I know of at least.

I think it is no more then personal preference. Someone out there prefers the other links so they are voting no and replacing them with the one they prefer.

As for advice I don't know what to tell you to do about it... if anything... sorry.
Pete
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I been seeing the same thing... I don't believe the links violate any rules what so ever... not that I know of at least.

I think it is no more then personal preference. Someone out there prefers the other links so they are voting no and replacing them with the one they prefer.

As for advice I don't know what to tell you to do about it... if anything... sorry.


I agree. If the links work, they work. Ken has (thus far) not said that the cosmetic appearance of links is a reason to be removed/altered.
Corey
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I am seeing many strange votes, which i can only classify as users trying to exercise their personal preferences or biases and we all know my opinion of such things.   Even for such thing as OFFICIAL SITES, an official site is an official site and Germany, Netherlands, or wherever are totally irrelevant, the site is still OFFICIAL. There are probably very FEW movies that will set up multiple nationality sites, blockbusters probably will but your typical run of the mill film, probably not...assuming it has an official site.

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Billy Video
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I do not have any problems with removing a bad looking link if someone provided a good looking working replacement.
Martin Zuidervliet

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Good looking? Didn't know that was a standard, I don't even know how to quantify that.  But, the second part the link works or it diesn't ...that I understand.

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Billy Video
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Sounds a lot like personal preference to me... it may be a bad looking link to you... but that don't necessarily mean it is a bad looking link to me.

To me as long as the link works... then it looks good to me! 
Pete
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Although my problem is with an imdb link and not a Wikipedia link but...

I know the feeling, I currently have a link assigned to a UK Disc ID for Mad Max 2 (part of a Box Set), yet a Dutch user has assigned a No vote because its not a Netherlands Locality profile.

If the Netherlands profile is using the same Disc ID, it will show up against your profile. I know I have assigned it correctly.

I think that before these links can be removed by another user they should be put to the vote just like a change to a contribution, it doesn't take long for another user to click on the link to see if its valid or not. If its a working link it stays, if not a No vote with a comment just like the pending contributions...stating the reason for the No vote (ie, this link no longer working, or not point to correct title etc). Or is that too easy?

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Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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I do not have any problems with removing a bad looking link if someone provided a good looking working replacement.


I prefer what you call "bad looking link". It uses the URL encoding which replaces certain characters with their Hex representation. Nowadays most browsers can work with the "good looking" links, but that is no reason to use it.
And why must the link be good looking? Usually a link will be replaced with another text altogether when being displayed.


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I have noticed the same thing and would even go a step further.

People who remove links that use Url encoding cause they don't "look good" shouldn't be allowed to submit links in the first place cause they have no idea what they are doing .

There is a very good reason why there is Url encoding which is clearly explained in the link provided by TomGaines. In short: Can be viewed by ALL users.

Actually it should be the the "good looking" links like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_(film) that need to be removed since "(" and ")" are reserved characters (RFC 3986 (January 2005) )

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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantkahless
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Thanks to all of you providing your opinions and useful informations! Appreciated very much! 

So I decided to do the following:

- I'll continue removing/correcting all not working links.

- I'll move wrong assigned links to the proper category (I know there are some links which should be "This Profile Only" but are accidentally linked to "Title and Production Year ". At the moment I can't see any chance to identify those without the voting system! It would be nice to see the assignment of "Title and Production Year" or "This Profile Only" in the overview.)

etc.

but

- I will not remove "bad looking" working links, assiged to the proper category and location as long as the rules won't require it!


Thanks again! 
Thorsten
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And why must the link be good looking?

That's simple, because it's easier to read for the average user. Or do you think everybody understands what is meant with "%28film%29"? You should also should take into account what the majority may feel is better and not what you like yourself. Somehow I'm getting the feeling some of us do not want to delete their inappropriate links just because it would effect their total score...
Martin Zuidervliet

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As usual Martin, I think you are jumping to an unjustified conclusion. I for one could care less about any kind of score keeping, pick your poison, they are all absolutely meaningless to me for the most part. Nor do I care about a good looking link (whatever that means), I was trying to find a link that looked like Sophia Loren today and couldn't find any, I found plenty of links about her and links to pictures but no linl that looked like she does. .

Now what is important to is me that the links be relevant. I don't want to see a Rotten Tomatoes link referring to a Standard Version attached to a Collector's Edition, completely irrelevant, especially if the two releases are separated in time, as most are. Now if RT, for example, happens to also have done a review on the CE, THEN having the two links is relevant for comparison purposes. Similarly I am not interested in aseeing a review on an Italian version attached to a Us, UK or whatever version. It has NOTHING to do with language, that is the least of MY concerns, but an Italian copy will (1) have its own UPC that is different from let's say a US release and (2) any information an itallian author might pass along based on his judgement of the quality of transfer, audio, even special features are not relevant because none of those necessarily will apply to the smae title in another country. All you have to do is look at a site like DVDBeaver that DOES do comparisons between various releases to see that Psycho US is NOT the same as Psycho UK (for example).

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Billy Video
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Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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And why must the link be good looking?

That's simple, because it's easier to read for the average user. Or do you think everybody understands what is meant with "%28film%29"? You should also should take into account what the majority may feel is better and not what you like yourself. Somehow I'm getting the feeling some of us do not want to delete their inappropriate links just because it would effect their total score...


who says the majority feels this way?... so far you are the only one I personally seen mention such a thing. You say the majority may feel that way... but all I see is evidence that the majority believes the way most of us are saying here. Once again as far as I am concerned as long as the link is correct and it works... that is all that matters.
Pete
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Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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Somehow I'm getting the feeling some of us do not want to delete their inappropriate links just because it would effect their total score...


You don't really mean that - don't you? I don't care about scorings. Do we get money for it or better reputation or whatever?
I was under the impression that submitting links is a kind of teamwork-contribution for our community and database!
You should know as well as all other submitters, that we have to invest many time for contributing links. So it's a little bit unfair to allege anybody of us selfish motives like scorings or whatsoever. 
Thorsten
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so far you are the only one I personally seen mention such a thing.

That's because most users don't bother to visit these forums anymore. Or didn't you have noticed that the respond has shrunk to a new depth? As long as these forums are not properly being moderated the "good" users including their opinions will stay away.
Martin Zuidervliet

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