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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 465 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm sorry to bother the community with yet another poll, but currently some important rules are being revised in the contributions rules committee, and I have got the opinion that it's always best to obtain the vote of the users before decisions are made (of course Ken always has the final say).
So, here is the problem:
The current rule for the production year of a film states "Enter the year of the original theatrical release. For films that have been updated (e.g., a Special Edition or Directors Cut) use the year of the original release, not the year that the re-release was “made” or released."
The current rule proposal for the production year of a TV series looks like this: "Use the year of the earliest aired episode in the set / on the disc."
I've always had a problem with the first rule and even more so with the new rule proposal for TV series. Why ? Because the contributor needs to get information from a third party site when this is absolutely not necessary. Every movie and every TV episode I have ever seen has a copyright notice with a production year at the end. I haven't got the slightest clue why this shouldn't be used for the profiles. It's indisputable and easy to find.
Why should we have to look up the first air date for a TV episode on the internet ? Besides, what does "first air date" mean ? The first broadcast in the country of origin ? The country of origin for "Battlestar Galactica" is the United States but still the first season aired months earlier in the UK.
So, I suggest changes to "Enter the year of the copyright date from the film credits" and "Enter the year of the earliest copyright date from the episode credits in the set / on the disc."
What is your opinion about that ? | | | Michael |
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Registered: April 4, 2007 | Posts: 879 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm all for it, been using copyright year locally all the time! It's always better to be able to take the info from the movie/disc than from some internet site.
We have to consider movies without a copyright year (just watched Le Mepris/Contempt and didn't notice a year anywhere). For those the current rule should apply. | | | - Jan |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Completely agree. In order to prevent inconsistency and to use the only true source material to populate this field and remove all ambiguity, using the copyright date directly from the DVD itself is the most practical solution! | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,911 |
| Posted: | | | | I voted to leave the rules as is.
You cannot say without a shadow of doubt that all DVD's will have copyright informationa at the end of the credits.
For TV Shows...
Do you use Episode #1 or episode #22? Why?
What if #1 is 1982 and #22 is 1983?
Most tv seasons (in the U.S.) run from Sept to June (two different years).
I say let the rules stay as they are. Why complicate things. | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... | | | Last edited: by NewEnglander |
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| W0m6at | You're in for it now Tony |
Registered: April 17, 2007 | Posts: 1,091 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm for going from the copyright. I don't like any of the sections where you have to use third-party sites or speculation. I've encountered conflicting data on release dates from different sites. Also, many "cult" movies have a long run at film festivals before being picked up for release, complicating matters. | | | Adelaide Movie Buffs (info on special screenings, contests, bargains, etc. relevant to Adelaideans... and contests/bargains for other Aussies too!) |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 582 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm for it to but you have to cover the problem of movies that may not have a copyright/production year in the end credits. In this case I would use the year printed on the back of the DVD as a fall back. | | | My 4x4 Club: Club FJ Cruiser Quebec DVDP Français: Forum DVD Profiler Français DVDCOL:DVD Collectors Online Video: LG RU-42PX10 Audio: Sony DreamSystem DAVFX100W |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 742 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree with taking the copyright date, it more consitent, easier to find and comes from the DVD (if available) and not some third party.
But don't forget to include later editions, recuts, etc. in the rules as well to avoid more endless discussions on interpretation, please... | | | Lutz |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Posts: 410 |
| Posted: | | | | Keep "theatrical release" and "first air date" as methods for determining the production year
This I like so it easy to search (to knows if one movie was realese before a other movie) |
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| Erik | It's a strange world. |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 422 |
| Posted: | | | | Copyright date sounds good (long as it can be found on some world cinema flicks...) PS. Can we please discount Harry Knowles' Austin Film thing as a production year? | | | Erik
"Has it ever occurred to you, man, that given the nature of all this new stuff, that, uh, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, you know, not just such a simple, but uh - you know?" -- The Dude, The Big Lebowski
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ralliart: Quote: Keep "theatrical release" and "first air date" as methods for determining the production year
This I like so it easy to search (to knows if one movie was realese before a other movie) I think a Feature Request should be submitted in the correct forum for a field called "Theatrical Release" and "Aired Date" if people actually want to capture that information. The current title of the field is "Production Year" and the copyright in the film's credits is the only authoritative source for that information. | | | Hal |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Posts: 410 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting Ralliart:
Quote: Keep "theatrical release" and "first air date" as methods for determining the production year
This I like so it easy to search (to knows if one movie was realese before a other movie)
I think a Feature Request should be submitted in the correct forum for a field called "Theatrical Release" and "Aired Date" if people actually want to capture that information.
The current title of the field is "Production Year" and the copyright in the film's credits is the only authoritative source for that information. I see your point of view and I like it. So added more feild will be great |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | There is no good reason to use copyright date. Copyright doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the actual date the film was made. Copyright could just as easily be the date of the screenplay, or the date the production company was formed, or any of a dozen other things.
The universal standard is theatrical release date. Virtually every database uses that date when you look up a movie. Now you want to change canoes in midstream and force the change of virually every profile in the database with a different date that may or may not be present in the credits of a movie or TV show. | | | John
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | They are very good at that, john.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: April 4, 2007 | Posts: 879 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: There is no good reason to use copyright date. Copyright doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the actual date the film was made. Copyright could just as easily be the date of the screenplay, or the date the production company was formed, or any of a dozen other things.
huh? where do take this info from? I've never seen any indication that a copyright year was any of the things you mentioned. In fact I've seen additional screenplay/music copyright years in a lot of movies. Year the company was formed? Sorry but that's a ridiculous unrealistic "example" taken out of nowhere. And your contradicting yourself: You say it can't be used because it doesn't always match the actual date the film was made. Well, guess what, neither does the current rule. Movies often get postponed because of some events (9/11, WWII...). They also are often released a year later than the actual shooting took place. So if you want to capture the date of production you're definitely closer with the copyright year on average. If you want to document the aired date too that's understandable (but it is the less important of the two imho) but we need a new field for that. | | | - Jan |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
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The copyright date of a film may have absolutely nothing to do with the release date. It is not unusual for some films to sit on a shelf for years after filming in search of a distributor. I such cases the copyright date and theatrical have little or nothing in common and I would say the theatrical release(problematic, to be sure) would be the more useful.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: May 8, 2007 | Posts: 823 |
| Posted: | | | | The rule as it is and has been is inconsistent and does not make sense. Even now, the field is called "Produced." The year for a field with this name should come from the credits as seen from the film on the disc itself.
The rules however state to pull the first or theatrical release date. Therefore the field should be changed to "release date," "theatrical release date," or "first released." | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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