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| Registered: May 11, 2007 |  Posts: 32 |
| | Posted: | | | | OK, I'm really pissed of at the moment. Perhaps this is not the best moment to write a posting, but I want to write it now.
I posted a topic a few weeks ago, where all of my Cover submissions where declined. It was said that perhaps inferior quality could be the problem. I thought, maybe, although I couldn't believe that.
Then, I contributed 2 new cover scans a few days ago, which were definitely and without any question of far more superior quality than the actual ones. But they did not contain the case borders.
And - Of course! - they were declined, although there were No Negative votes, only positive! I see no reason for that. Ken Cole stated, that "only removing the borders" will not be accepted! This is something I can understand. But why are those scans with superior quality declined?
The old scans did not even include the HD DVD top case, but also all other case borders and even some parts of the scanner cap.
So, we need a definite decision! To my understanding, Cover scan means no case borders or anything, else. Just the cover itself! So why are those new scans declined!? There is no rule that says, HD cover scans must contain that annoying case borders! |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Only Ken & Gerri can say for certain why they were declined - if you definitely want an answer I would PM one of them and ask (after you've calmed down a bit maybe).
But I do know in the past they have declined superior scans for reasons of cropping, colour balance (if they own the title) etc.
Also, what did you put in your contribution notes? If you don't say that you scanned them yourself they may have thought you'd taken them from another website which they also have to decline.
If you genuinely think they are better - resubmit and post the UPC here so others can look and give their opinion. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is why I always get the scans I want directly from the voting page. Maybe I should submit YOUR scans Falcon1, and see if they are accepted from me.  | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,918 |
| | Posted: | | | | Also note that your local cover scan could be the sharpest most detailed scan ever but if it's bigger than 500x700x200k, it'll get recompressed which will affect the quality - even more so if you have a lot of reds in the image.
I've had many scans I made myself that I ended up not contributing after I saw how they looked after uploading. That was before the file size limit was upped to 200k though.... |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Good point about the compression, doc. I recently resubmitted some cover scans cos I was shocked at what they looked like when they came through on the profile update. It can make a big difference to your scan.
Did you ever check your scans on the contributions page to see what they looked like? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Falcon1: Quote:
OK, I'm really pissed of at the moment. Perhaps this is not the best moment to write a posting, but I want to write it now.
I posted a topic a few weeks ago, where all of my Cover submissions where declined. It was said that perhaps inferior quality could be the problem. I thought, maybe, although I couldn't believe that.
Then, I contributed 2 new cover scans a few days ago, which were definitely and without any question of far more superior quality than the actual ones. But they did not contain the case borders.
And - Of course! - they were declined, although there were No Negative votes, only positive! I see no reason for that. Ken Cole stated, that "only removing the borders" will not be accepted! This is something I can understand. But why are those scans with superior quality declined?
The old scans did not even include the HD DVD top case, but also all other case borders and even some parts of the scanner cap.
So, we need a definite decision! To my understanding, Cover scan means no case borders or anything, else. Just the cover itself! So why are those new scans declined!? There is no rule that says, HD cover scans must contain that annoying case borders! I don't have any HD titles in my own/wishlist so I can't say I know what it is you are talking about., But I have a feeling it is to do with the fact that the HD covers have a lot of 'foil ' in the artwork and of course foil means terrible scans and black borders. So you are then submitting internet artwork rather than scans?? ( Kinda like 'The Queen' HD cover I had fun with last week..) What is case borders?? ..... do you have any scans you can display here for us to see.?? | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think what he means is this  as opposed to this  |
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| Registered: May 11, 2007 | | Posts: 32 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is a side by side comparison of a scan in the database and a scan I submitted. All my scans where made by me, NOT taken from any website or something like that. Link top graphic |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | Data Base entry Is definitely Better,, colors / clarity and the size of scan is also questionable.. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | You think so Terry?
I was about to post the opposite!
If you take into account the banner on the original, the scans are pretty much the same size. And although it may be differently compressed, I think the text is clearer on the new one.
The only thing I would say is I think in trying to colour correct the original (which is too warm) I think you may have gone too blue, but not by much. If that is the reason it was declined, I would mention in the notes that the cover is bluer than the current scan. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | The tan background is correct over the Blue background., The skin tones are more natural on the existing over the blurry submitted . also I believe the HDD logo must be prevalent on the display | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | Agree with northbloke i though the scan on the right was better. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | where's 8ballMax when I need him... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Scans must meet the threshold of significant improvement. Additionally, the database has built up a significant preponderance of HD titles with the banner included. The new scan also shows the same damage in the lower right as the original, probably due to the way they were packed. With all this in mind, the decline makes sense.
Bear in mind that although you may see a large amount of positive votes, we have a significant group of users who rubber stamp their votes, voting yes to anything and everything. This is also considered during evaluation. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
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| Registered: May 11, 2007 | | Posts: 32 |
| | Posted: | | | | If the covers were declined due to some "color" or "noise" related thingsl... I'm willing to accept that.
BUT, it seems to me, most of my (and other german users who contributed new covers without the case borders! I'm not the only one complaining about this.) contributions were declined just because the borders were missing!
And, what makes it *really* curious is that with normal DVDs there are a lot of submissions accepted where the difference between the new one and the old one is less significant than with the HD submissions!
So my intention was, to get an official statement, perhaps even written down in the rules, whether the case header (BD/HD DVD) should be included in the scan or not. This would make things A LOT easier! |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Bear in mind that although you may see a large amount of positive votes, we have a significant group of users who rubber stamp their votes, voting yes to anything and everything. This is also considered during evaluation. Happy to see that you consider this. Sometimes I check the vote of some user on some contribution and my only reaction is : "You vote yes for that  " Best example the recent "Back to the Future Boxset", 2 or 3 users vote yes and the submitting profile is completly again the rules. |
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