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It seems to me that further discussion is pointless so I'm done with this thread.

There wasn't even a point right from the start for that thread... the topic opener isn't a newbie and he knew what is the DVDP developper stance on the subject.

It was to stir trouble as he can't get in his brain that plugins do what he wants... been a while we haven't got an imdb troll. I guess we will get a CD Profiler one soon too...

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In other words, "he wants", not you, they, them or us.

So you don't know what is a general "you"... 

"I don't want to disrespect you, but I think we know what the users want when we are around since 6 years or more (certainly more than someone who is here for a little bit more than 1 months)." :
Doesn't sound like a "general" "you" to me....but, whatever...think and post as you like, all the same to me...no hard feelings (on my part)...

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BTW, if there was any justice in the world IMDb should licence OUR data. 

Fortunately, this will never happen. "Our" data (for me, it is not mine, it is what Invelos wants) ,use, for example, Francois Berleand, François Berleand, Francois Berléand and François Berléand (the only correct one) to list an actor who never used any alternative to his real name. IMDb uses the correct name.
The problem is, when you want to have the list of movies in your collection with this actor, the different forms do not link together.
Thousands of accented names are concerned by this nonsense.
Invelos database is a complete mess, totally useless, and when rules asked me to add spelling mistakes that do not exist in credits, I just chose to stop any contribution.

Just thought I would respond to this, since he brings it up on every thread concerning contributions. IMDB may have correctly accented names for languages other than English, but for English names with Jr. or Sr. or nicknames they don't use , or . or " even if it is in the screen credits. They also use names that have never been in a film credit.

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...but for English names with Jr. or Sr. or nicknames they don't use , or . or " even if it is in the screen credits...

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Certain name standardizations are performed during contribution. e.g. John Smith Jr becomes John Smith, Jr.

So IMDb decided to leave out the "," resulting in John Smith Jr. even if it's in the screen credits.
And Invelos decided to fill in the "," resulting in John Smith, Jr. even if it's not in the screen credits.

Where's the big difference?

Exactly. Where's the big difference. You can church it up, but they are the same, so why don't people give that excuse a rest.

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Exactly. Where's the big difference. You can church it up, but they are the same, so why don't people give that excuse a rest.

The big difference, is that in IMDB you have one  name for one person (François Berléand), and in Invelos, four names for one person (Francois Berleand, François Berleand, Francois Berléand and François Berléand).

And 1 is a database that assigns movies to names of people, regardless of the actual film credits. And the other is a database that collects DVD releases that also is in the beginning stages of tracking actual screen credits. I say beginning because the first few years they were collecting cast and crew data that was mined from IMDB. And now they have decided to go with screen credits (with a few exceptions - Jr. & Sr. and Honorific). So all those profiles need to be fixed.
I don't see this changing in the near future, so if everyone that disagrees with how things are done still want to not contribute, that's fine, it will just take the rest of us longer to get profile information that DVDP wants into the database.

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The big difference, is that in IMDB you have one  name for one person (François Berléand), and in Invelos, four names for one person (Francois Berleand, François Berleand, Francois Berléand and François Berléand).

What's wrong with credited as? That fixes linking.

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The big difference, is that in IMDB you have one  name for one person (François Berléand), and in Invelos, four names for one person (Francois Berleand, François Berleand, Francois Berléand and François Berléand).

What's wrong with credited as? That fixes linking.

For a while. And when the actress marries and makes another 16 to her existing 15 movies, then the update process starts all anew for all of her 31 movies, scattered over 248* profiles.

*This is a low ball estimate, based on her movies having been released only once per locality and in only 8 different localities.

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The big difference, is that in IMDB you have one  name for one person (François Berléand), and in Invelos, four names for one person (Francois Berleand, François Berleand, Francois Berléand and François Berléand).

What's wrong with credited as? That fixes linking.

For a while. And when the actress marries and makes another 16 to her existing 15 movies, then the update process starts all anew for all of her 31 movies, scattered over 248* profiles.

*This is a low ball estimate, based on her movies having been released only once per locality and in only 8 different localities.

Not to forget what happens if she gets divorced again and finally gets adopted by someone with a completely different name who then gets married forcing the adopted actor to change the name again .... (ad infinitum)

Now really, most actors/actresses will keep their stagename for public use even after such name-changing events, after all it's something like a brand-name. There are exceptions, but not as many as some drama-queens may want us to think.

This the fatal flaw with the linking system as it stands.

However, this argument is not new. The simple answer - with the program/system working as it currently does - is that you have to do the work to correct it yourself.

THIS is what many people don't want to do.

I don't want IMDB data in my database because I have seen thousands of times that it doesn't match what I see in the credits.
IMDB is great at what it does; but it doesn't reflect what is in the movie credits.

One of the reasons I like Profiler is because (assuming a contributor does the job properly) its profiles DO match the film credits.

The DVD Profiler database is rubbish because too many contributors decided that they knew best and decided to ignore the rules, import IMDB data, link incorrectly or just plain sabotage it.

People lie. Any user-built database is doomed to failure because of this fact.
All we can do is make the best of what we have and hope that every so often Ken will introduce a new way of doing things that improves (or simplifies) things.

While I never approve of Jimmy's way of saying thing's, I agree with his sentiment: If you can't be bothered to take a small amount of your time to contribute then please don't whine about how bad the database is. I too have no respect for people who give nothing and take everything.
I'm also very aware that the kind of person who wants to just take and get stuff for free wouldn't give a rat's behind about that I think.
So, I make my profiles as good as I can and I contribute them primarily as a back-up to my database; but also for the very, very, very small percentage of users who deserve them.