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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Quoting bob9000:
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Quoting twojayz:
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Still think Asc is a moron. 
Everyone thinks the ASC is a moron.
I don't think Asc is a moron...that would be giving him too much credit  . And is offensive to all us morons in the world! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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BTW, if you read my statement about Shrek 3's audio, you would have seen the "PROBABLY" part.  Well, you tried. We'll send you some lovely parting gifts in the mail.
This is your statement: "That is the BANDWIDTH difference between Blu-ray and HD DVD. That's probably why Paramount could NOT include a lossless soundtrack on SHREK 3 despite it ONLY being 90+mins long. Oh, the compromises!"
The way you wrote it, the word 'probably' deals with the reason they could not include it. It has nothing to do with whether or not they included it.
Simply put, you said they could NOT include a lossless soundtrack and it was probably due to the bandwidth difference.
Now, that may not have been what you meant to say...but it IS what you wrote. It pays to understand sentence structure.  That's how I meant it. There could be a couple (maybe even a few) reasons why it could NOT happen. Of course, I could have used the word "did" instead of "could", but either way works in a sentence. If a manager told the encoding team than they are not to put a lossless audio track on Shrek 3, that means the encoding team (they) "could NOT" put it on the disc. If PQ was their priority (most likely) and there wasn't enough BANDWIDTH left over, then they "could NOT" put a lossless audio track on the disc. So, yes, I understand sentence structure. We do know that Blades of Glory (before it was pulled), had a lossless soundtrack available. The HD DVD version, however, did not. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Quoting bob9000:
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Quoting twojayz:
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Still think Asc is a moron.
Everyone thinks the ASC is a moron.
I don't think Asc is a moron...that would be giving him too much credit . By definition, you guys would be more of a fit than I would.  | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting twojayz: Quote:
Ok, ok! To me it's still a Dreamworks release but I grant you all the pleasure of proving me "wrong". I wasn't beating myself up over it. It's really not that increidbly important to me as I still consider it a DHE release, as would most people.
You say potato, I say potato...  Not trying to 'prove you wrong'. I have an interest in film studios, so it is information I don't mind sharing...and you did ask to be shown something different.  Quote:
Still think Asc is a moron. I don't know that he is a 'moron'. A zealot perhaps, but he can use a computer so I wouldn't go so far as to call him a 'moron'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
That's how I meant it. There could be a couple (maybe even a few) reasons why it could NOT happen. Of course, I could have used the word "did" instead of "could", but either way works in a sentence. If a manager told the encoding team than they are not to put a lossless audio track on Shrek 3, that means the encoding team (they) "could NOT" put it on the disc. If PQ was their priority (most likely) and there wasn't enough BANDWIDTH left over, then they "could NOT" put a lossless audio track on the disc. So, yes, I understand sentence structure. Then you are talking out of your A_S in an attempt to avoid twojayz's question. You made the statement that "Paramount could NOT include a lossless soundtrack on SHREK 3." Now you are confirming what you meant, by saying you could have used the word 'did'. That means you are saying they did not put a lossless soundtrack on Shrek 3. So, answer the question...how do you know that they didn't include the lossless soundtrack. Please provide the 'evidence to support your statement. Quote:
We do know that Blades of Glory (before it was pulled), had a lossless soundtrack available. The HD DVD version, however, did not. Really? We did? You must do great in Vegas seeing as you have the ability to know what everyone else knows.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Blu-ray featured on Designing Spaces (TV Show)
It is located one up from the bottom. It's titled, "Disney Worldwide Entertainment: Entertainment Meets Innovative Technology". Click and watch the segment. That was a very nice sales pitch provided by a biased Blu-Ray supporter on a 'Disney' & 'Sony' sponsored site. I would expect the same thing from a biased HD DVD supporter. What's your point? Before you say he isn't 'biased', he writes a blog for www.hollywoodinhidef.com. A site "Built for Blu-Ray" and "Powered by Blu-Ray Supporters". Also, before you claim they aren't supported by Disney & Sony, just click on their home page link. On that page you will see logos for Disney & Sony. Nice attempt at 'changing the subject'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | No matter how many times he is proven wrong he is always back to cut and paste some more garbage. A complete and utter retard with nothing useful to add to this forum. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Moe: Oh, a moron, eh? Curly: No, stupid. Nyuk nyuk nyuk. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| | Registered: September 7, 2007 | | Posts: 265 |
| | Posted: | | | | Unicus, I appreciate the info...I guess it's just a matter of technicalities. As I said this morning, not a big deal from my perspective. Wow, I created a page or moron jokes...Unintended consequence of course! |
| | Registered: September 7, 2007 | | Posts: 265 |
| | Posted: | | | | So, just to put it at rest, here is what was said about the audio tracks on Nature's Journey...
The Super Bit Rate Video & Audio Encodes we used for this title show off the true potential of current High Definition equipment and technology. In addition, we utilized our proprietary DRS strategy which outlines the best procedures, protocols, and practices for maintaining audio and video quality transparent to the source. We truly pushed the maximum limit of both formats with a 26mbps VC-1 Video Encode and a 96/24 DTS-HD Soundtrack for the HD-DVD and a 37Mbps VC-1 Video Encode and 96/24 DTS-HD-MA Soundtrack on the Blu-ray Disc release.
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However, as a Producer, I always prefer to have more bandwidth and space on the disc than less. All of our HD / BD releases feature Super Bit DTS-HD and when we have the bandwidth available, DTS-HD Master Audio Lossless.
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8. Please explain the importance of audio in this release and what prompted the decision to use different audio quality on both releases?]
When we did this, we knew we might be opening a can or worms related to the format wars. We tried to minimize that by matching Picture Quality for both HD and BD release. If you look at both formats, the Picture Quality is superb and most people would be hard pressed to tell the difference.
We decided to maximize Picture Quality because we believed there would be fewer people who would notice the difference between DTS-HD at 3mbps verses DTS-HD-MA Lossless. I am not saying there isn’t a difference between lossy and lossless because there is. We just felt most people would not really pay as much attention to the audio. As it turns out, we may have been wrong. Our future releases will feature DTS-HD-MA on both HD and BD versions.
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9. In a thread at AVS Forum (www.avsforum.com), you said you had some bandwidth space left over on the Blu-Ray version while you maxed out the HD-DVD versions bit rate, can you comment on the reasoning behind this?
Yes, you can do the math yourself by looking at the printed insert that comes with each disc. You will see we were at 29.64mbps total out of 30mbps available on HD-DVD. On the BD version, we used 44.44mbps out of 48mbps.
I negotiated the bit budget with Technicolor at the time we started production. Unlike DTS-HD which uses an exact bandwidth spec for encodes, DTS-HD-MA Lossless uses what it needs to achieve best results. Since we did not know at that time how much space the DTS-HD-MA audio encode would utilize, we settled on 37mbps for the video encode which left us more than enough headroom for whatever the DTS-HD-MA ended up being. However, looking back … I could have hit 40mbps on the Video Encode rate for this title. We will try to achieve this on our next release … although I don’t think it matters much once you get to this level.
And then because I want to be an Asc myself:
14. On your next project, what will you do differently in regards to your approach for both formats?
Based on feedback from AVS, I will utilize the exact same audio, DTS-HD-MA Lossless for both HD and BD releases. With this approach, the Video Encode will be lower, but we will work diligently to assure that we tweak the Video Encode for maximum Picture Quality at lower encoding rates.
Sorry this post is so long but I thought it might be wise to include as much information as possible to ensure that nobody gets confused. What you can probably see is that when Mr. Casey speaks about this project he basically shoots down everything Ascended_Testicicle has said....The soundtrack sounds virtually the same and the video is nearly the same. You'd be hard pressed to hear and/or see a difference. Hmm. Did I hide anything this time? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | This was posted by someone that works for Walmart in the Electronics Dept. Sweet deal! Quote: Quote:
For those of you who doubted Wal-mart's format preference following the $98 HD-A2 sale...
On 11/24 at 8:00am (running through 11:59pm on 11/25), the 80GB PS3 ($499) will come with 10 FREE Blu-ray movies instantly. You choose any 10 BD titles under $30 within the store and they will override the prices to zero. For those stores that carry BD already, additional titles are being sent in for the sale. For those that do not have BD in their store (a small minority) product will be sent to each store specifically for this sale.
Oh, and you still get your 5 FREE movies by mail. | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| | Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 405 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pplchamp: Quote:
This was posted by someone that works for Walmart in the Electronics Dept. Sweet deal!
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For those of you who doubted Wal-mart's format preference following the $98 HD-A2 sale...
On 11/24 at 8:00am (running through 11:59pm on 11/25), the 80GB PS3 ($499) will come with 10 FREE Blu-ray movies instantly. You choose any 10 BD titles under $30 within the store and they will override the prices to zero. For those stores that carry BD already, additional titles are being sent in for the sale. For those that do not have BD in their store (a small minority) product will be sent to each store specifically for this sale.
Oh, and you still get your 5 FREE movies by mail. Honestly while the 10 Blu-Ray movies is a nice "instant" offer, just how many 80GB PS3s are they going to sell at $499.99 when the 40GB PS3s at $399.99 is probably going to be the number one seller for Sony this Christmas season!!! Now perhaps if the offer was for 5 free PS3 games included with the 80GB PS3... | | | | My Collection!!! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Calidain: Quote:
Quoting pplchamp:
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This was posted by someone that works for Walmart in the Electronics Dept. Sweet deal!
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For those of you who doubted Wal-mart's format preference following the $98 HD-A2 sale...
On 11/24 at 8:00am (running through 11:59pm on 11/25), the 80GB PS3 ($499) will come with 10 FREE Blu-ray movies instantly. You choose any 10 BD titles under $30 within the store and they will override the prices to zero. For those stores that carry BD already, additional titles are being sent in for the sale. For those that do not have BD in their store (a small minority) product will be sent to each store specifically for this sale.
Oh, and you still get your 5 FREE movies by mail.
Honestly while the 10 Blu-Ray movies is a nice "instant" offer, just how many 80GB PS3s are they going to sell at $499.99 when the 40GB PS3s at $399.99 is probably going to be the number one seller for Sony this Christmas season!!! Now perhaps if the offer was for 5 free PS3 games included with the 80GB PS3... As my crystal ball is in the shop, I cannot answer that. But, there are quite a few people in numerous forums that are seriously considering this to go format neutral. The free movies alone 10 ($300) + 5 ($150) are almost as much as the system itself. I am looking at one and I already own the PS3 and tons of BR movies. My parents could use a high-def player for their HDTV. If anyone was looking to go blu, this should be something that they seriously look at. 15 movies is not a bad way to start a collection. | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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Blu-ray featured on Designing Spaces (TV Show)
It is located one up from the bottom. It's titled, "Disney Worldwide Entertainment: Entertainment Meets Innovative Technology". Click and watch the segment.
That was a very nice sales pitch provided by a biased Blu-Ray supporter on a 'Disney' & 'Sony' sponsored site. I would expect the same thing from a biased HD DVD supporter. What's your point?
Before you say he isn't 'biased', he writes a blog for www.hollywoodinhidef.com. A site "Built for Blu-Ray" and "Powered by Blu-Ray Supporters".
Also, before you claim they aren't supported by Disney & Sony, just click on their home page link. On that page you will see logos for Disney & Sony.
Nice attempt at 'changing the subject'. I was just listing one Blu-ray segment on a pretty well known TV show. I'm sure one of you guys would have listed a clip on here for HD DVD, if they had one. All that other stuff you typed really has NO bearing on that. I already dealt with the other subject that was being discussed, therefore a change of subject is natural. What's YOUR point? | | | To err is human...
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