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So where do we need to get "Title" from ? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
In other words, this rule absolutely unequivocally applies to every title except to those where it does not apply. What could be simpler to understand...?  Exactly! The "modified" title rule is vague enough as to allow it to be applied to any title where the cover is different than the film credits. It was inteded to only apply when the DVD Title was altered in the way that "There's Something More About Mary" or "Bad der Santa" have been modified. It was not intended to be applied to add quotes, possessives or other crap that the distributor decided to put on the DVD cover. Unfortunately, people are using it exactly as Repter is interpreting it. This goes back to another recent thread about titles. Perhaps we need a field for both "DVD Cover" and "Film Credits". It sounds like the "foreign film" rule is the one to apply in this particular case. | | | | Hal |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,739 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
In other words, this rule absolutely unequivocally applies to every title except to those where it does not apply. What could be simpler to understand...? Indeed!  And let me tell you: if all the other rules had a similar level of watertightness as this one, there'd be hardly any debates left.  I remain interested in seeing a couple of good examples for which my condensed rule wouldn't apply. May I also remind you that my interpretation actually makes SENSE? This is DVD Profiler, therefore it's logic that the "title" field contains the title of the DVD that I'm profiling. What you see on the shelve, is what you see in DVD Profiler. If the actual on-screen title is different, we can show that using the "original title" field. Sure, there are certainly many far-fetched other theories that can be used here, but this is the only one that actually makes SENSE. Anyway, I'm not going to argue about this any further - I don't think I ever made a mistake regards to the "title" and "original title" field - at least everything I ever submitted in that category has always been approved. How I get there isn't even that important: I start by always entering the title from the DVD cover in the "title" field, and if the on-screen title is any different, then I enter that in the "original title" field. If you want to work the other way around - start with the film credits, and then check if any exception applies - that's fine, too: the results will be the same. I just tried to supply a very simple answer to a very simple question. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting GSyren:
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In other words, this rule absolutely unequivocally applies to every title except to those where it does not apply. What could be simpler to understand...?
Indeed! And let me tell you: if all the other rules had a similar level of watertightness as this one, there'd be hardly any debates left.
I remain interested in seeing a couple of good examples for which my condensed rule wouldn't apply.
May I also remind you that my interpretation actually makes SENSE? This is DVD Profiler, therefore it's logic that the "title" field contains the title of the DVD that I'm profiling. What you see on the shelve, is what you see in DVD Profiler. If the actual on-screen title is different, we can show that using the "original title" field. Sure, there are certainly many far-fetched other theories that can be used here, but this is the only one that actually makes SENSE. Personally, if it is a choice between the film title and the DVD title, I am more interested in the film title because I, personally, am more concerned about the "content" of the DVD than I am the DVD itself. I collect DVDs because they contain movies and TV Series and other content that I am interested in. It is that content that I am interested in cataloguing. I could really care less about the media that it comes on, and therefore, could care less about what the distributor decides to call the media. For cross-reference purposes, especially for plug-ins like the Awards Plug-in, the actual film title is important or you are not going to get a match. The rest of the world knows the movie (just for instance) as The Birds and not as "The Birds" or as "Alfred Hitchcock's the Birds". To get titles to match up to other reference sources, you have to use the "official" title, which is usually (yes, not always) the one that is in the film's credits. Using "modified" titles makes the program less functional for me. | | | | Hal |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,739 |
| | Posted: | | | | @hal9g: That is exactly why we have the "original title" field. As a special gesture to users that share your stance on this, Ken even included a feature that allows you to display your collection using the data from the "original title" fields, instead of the modified titles that may or may not populate the "title" field.
The fact remains that despite your or my preference (I actually agree with you), this is DVD Profiler, and therefore the "title" field contains the title of the DVD. Anyway, again I don't think you and I will ever disagree on what goes where on any particular title - it's just how we get there. Therefore it's not worth arguing about - I just tried to supply a simple answer to a simple question. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
@hal9g: That is exactly why we have the "original title" field. As a special gesture to users that share your stance on this, Ken even included a feature that allows you to display your collection using the data from the "original title" fields, instead of the modified titles that may or may not populate the "title" field.
The fact remains that despite your or my preference (I actually agree with you), this is DVD Profiler, and therefore the "title" field contains the title of the DVD. Anyway, again I don't think you and I will ever disagree on what goes where on any particular title - it's just how we get there. Therefore it's not worth arguing about - I just tried to supply a simple answer to a simple question. Sorry, but the "Original Title" is for a completely different purpose. I submit the Sergio Leone movies as an example. The "Original Titles" would not help one iota in the Awards plug-in, since the original titles are in Italian, and the movies are listed in virtually every reference source under their English titles. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
The fact remains that despite your or my preference (I actually agree with you), this is DVD Profiler, and therefore the "title" field contains the title of the DVD So why is the very first sentence in the Title Rules "Use the title from the film's credits", instead of "Use the Title from the DVD Cover"? | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Because some users seem to want to try to make things far more difficult? Maybe.<shrugs>
SKip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,739 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
So why is the very first sentence in the Title Rules "Use the title from the film's credits", instead of "Use the Title from the DVD Cover"? I give up. As I've told you before: I really don't think you and I disagree on anything regarding titles - we're only arguing on how to get there. Since I cannot imagine we will ever disagree on what goes where on any particular title, the discussion is futile. I was only trying to supply Repter with an easy answer, one of which I'm still convinced that it works perfectly well for over 99% of all the titles he or I will ever encounter. I do understand that the rules are set up the way they are to deal with situations where there are three possible titles in play, and I respect that. I didn't want to challenge that at all - I just tried to supply Repter with the basic premise we European users tend to go by when working with titles. Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Because some users seem to want to try to make things far more difficult? I'll leave the question who's making things diffcult up to the person who asked the question to begin with. I wonder... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,005 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
The "Original Titles" would not help one iota in the Awards plug-in, since the original titles are in Italian, and the movies are listed in virtually every reference source under their English titles. I do not understand, why this shouldn't work. My policy for the awards data for my plugin is, that the original title of the movies is to be used (same as in Profiler for the original title field). Of course the functionality for the plugin depends on the data which I supply, but as I have often mentionend, I welcome corrections to the original titles of the award data. | | | 
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| | Registered: March 18, 2007 |  Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | BTW, this is again an example of how the rules leave too much interpretation. Yet, some people keep claiming that the rules are clear as they are now. For me "Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds" would be a 'modified title' compared to "The Birds".
So the rules should be made more clear to indicate that this specific case does not act as a modified title and therefore the Title in the profile should be "The Birds".
For all clarity: I don't have a problem with this. But I do wish that the rules were a lot more clear in this respect. The rules should not only be watertight, they should also be redundant enough preferably with many examples. At the moment they are neither. | | | | Last edited: by hevanw |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TomGaines: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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The "Original Titles" would not help one iota in the Awards plug-in, since the original titles are in Italian, and the movies are listed in virtually every reference source under their English titles.
I do not understand, why this shouldn't work.
My policy for the awards data for my plugin is, that the original title of the movies is to be used (same as in Profiler for the original title field).
Of course the functionality for the plugin depends on the data which I supply, but as I have often mentionend, I welcome corrections to the original titles of the award data. Are you saying that the original title in the "awards" list is in Italian for Sergio Leone's movies? | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | edit | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,005 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Are you saying that the original title in the "awards" list is in Italian for Sergio Leone's movies? I do not know. But as I said: My aim is, that the original titles are to be used. Should it not be the case for specific movies, I welcome corrections for these (best as an export of the affected and corrected award via the CCViewer). | | |
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | I know for a fact that "Mister Roberts" does not display any awards, but Mister Roberts does. Some would argue that "Mister Roberts" is both the cover title and the screen title and the "Original Title". That position would "break" the link to the awards plug-in which uses the correct title, Mister Roberts (IMHO).
My only point is that the title that is selected can and does have a direct impact on linkages to other sources. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TomGaines: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Are you saying that the original title in the "awards" list is in Italian for Sergio Leone's movies?
I do not know. But as I said: My aim is, that the original titles are to be used. Should it not be the case for specific movies, I welcome corrections for these (best as an export of the affected and corrected award via the CCViewer). I would think that the title would be whatever was used for the actual award. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | As Tom pointed out himself already, the Plugin should not dictate what title is to be used. The Awards list we feed it should follow he standards given by DVD Profiler.
Please note, in no way am I making a case for the use of "Mister Roberts" or against it. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
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