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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Darxon:
Many times I submit pre-release data without any Cast and crew, or at best minimal and NEVER with Roles.
Even at that sometimes the cast data may wind being re-ordered, but there is not usually more than 5 involved. But documentation is key, if you are using Full cast and crew for a pre-release(new), then where did it come from, and (uncredited) must be documeted as do Common Names or BY data which you might choose to include. If you don't, you can expect it to be declined.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
I do submit sources not just for cast and crew, also for other fields, but sometimes I wonder whether I provide too much detail. For instance, "Overview and Rating from back cover...", "Features from DVD menu"... I think it's useful anyway. Or maybe I am stating the obvious? I agree, very useful information. I do the same thing. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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  | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
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Mike:
Even with a new title your notes become part fo the record for that title and the Rules still must be followed. Which means don't simply throw the data up on the wall and see if it sticks...it won't. Provide documentation fo WHATEVER you are doing?
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I do submit sources not just for cast and crew, also for other fields, but sometimes I wonder whether I provide too much detail. For instance, "Overview and Rating from back cover...", "Features from DVD menu"... I think it's useful anyway. Or maybe I am stating the obvious? No such thing as too much information...  | | | Berak
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| Registered: April 1, 2007 |  Posts: 11 |
| | Posted: | | | | I submit the profiles again and now all accepted  I just add "Blu-ray Disc => Cast & Crew copied from DVD profile". I only make a full review of my database 3 or 4 times a year and I didn't notice that rules for contribution are more strict now. Good to know for the next time. | | | | Last edited: by MIKES |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 742 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Darxon:
Many times I submit pre-release data without any Cast and crew, or at best minimal and NEVER with Roles.
Even at that sometimes the cast data may wind being re-ordered, but there is not usually more than 5 involved. But documentation is key, if you are using Full cast and crew for a pre-release(new), then where did it come from, and (uncredited) must be documeted as do Common Names or BY data which you might choose to include. If you don't, you can expect it to be declined.
Skip And I agree that it's useful. The way I understood Yves, he would support a kinda automatic decline for profiles too incomplete. If I misunderstood you, Yves, my apologies. | | | | Lutz |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
What I mean is that rules should precise that profiles that are empty on overview, cast and crew (at least director) would be declined. I don't think they should be declined. Of course I like better a complete profile, but if someone contributes good scans and accurate data other than cast,crew and overview, that's fine for me. | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 445 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
I don't think they should be declined. Of course I like better a complete profile, but if someone contributes good scans and accurate data other than cast,crew and overview, that's fine for me. Absolutely...the prgram would suck majorly if profiles without cast and crew were declined...submissions would be drastically reduced and that is not good. In fact if you did that you would reduce the amount of submissions a lot more than stricter rules would. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 742 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, it seems I understood him correctly, then  | | | | Lutz |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Posts: 130 |
| | Posted: | | | | Mike if it is a new title on dvd but has been out in a different format like VHS or Laser you can use that as a source example I submitted "The Ritz" that is being released on dvd in Jan. I documented the cast and crew from the actual Laser Disc end credits. If it is a new title never out before then you have to wait for release and take them from dvd. Hope this helps, Tom |
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| Registered: March 24, 2007 |  Posts: 240 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Bodi: Quote:
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I don't think they should be declined. Of course I like better a complete profile, but if someone contributes good scans and accurate data other than cast,crew and overview, that's fine for me.
Absolutely...the prgram would suck majorly if profiles without cast and crew were declined...submissions would be drastically reduced and that is not good. In fact if you did that you would reduce the amount of submissions a lot more than stricter rules would. In the last 30 days I contributed 12 new profiles with everything but c&c. All approved. If this silly idea was put in place it would be zero. If you care about c&c go ahead and add them, the rest is already done for you. If that's not good enough for you, tough bananas!  | | | | Tom. |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
But there is no requirement on how much you need to do... nor should there be. as long as the info you do is correct per the rules and documented well in the contribution notes... it should not matter how big... or how little your contribution is.
Not everyone is comfortable with doing... or cares enough about certain fields to do those sections... like I couldn't care less about the crew section... and the rules for the crew section is confusing to me... so I never update that section.... nor should I be forced to.
And what about pre-releases?... how would we even have our pre-release section then? until it is released cast/crew/overview is not available for us. Yes, a contribution should depend on how big it is. Too much people contribute just to have their name on the list of contributors, and that is why I wanted , three years ago, that this list was deleted. If people contributed only significant data, we would have avoided ping ponging, and that rules that should be a guide. For crew, I wrote "at least director"..., so it is not confusing Profile for future release are useful if they contain data. To find a profile with a title and a thumbnail from Amazon is no interest... | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Yes, a contribution should depend on how big it is. Too much people contribute just to have their name on the list of contributors, and that is why I wanted , three years ago, that this list was deleted. If people contributed only significant data, we would have avoided ping ponging, and that rules that should be a guide. So what if there is only one thing wrong with the profile?.... if what you are correcting is not big enough it can never be fixed because it can not be contributed do to the size of the contribution... and as I said... not everyone wants to mess with all... just because cast and all is important to YOU does not make it important to everyone... but everyone has to do it anyway because YOU think it is important... Wow! I am glad Invelos doesn't think the way you do! And what if how I want to do my cast and crew does not match the way Invelos wants it... so I keep mine local only... the way you have it I would not be able to contribute because I prefer mine another way.... This is why we have partial contributions... so we can contribute ONLY the sections that we care to contribute.... not contribute what surfeur51 finds important... personally I couldn't care less what you find important. Quote:
For crew, I wrote "at least director"..., so it is not confusing You highlight the confusing part... and completely ignore the first part where I said I personally couldn't care less about the crew section... that includes the director... I couldn't care less who is behind the camera... I care about who is in front of the camera. But once again you feel I should be forced to contribute information I don't care about because it is important to You... wow! sounds like this is all about you to me! Quote:
Profile for future release are useful if they contain data. To find a profile with a title and a thumbnail from Amazon is no interest... Maybe In Your Opinion that is the only time they are useful.... but I... as well as many other find the future release profiles very important. Personally even if it is only UPC and title... and doesn't have coverart or anything else I find it useful. if the movie is not out yet... and the movie is a new release (never on home video before) then the info didn't come from the credits... and not allowed per the rules. Once again it sounds like only what is important to you... and once again I would have to say personally I couldn't care less what you find important. You need to remember... there is more people out in the world then you... and not all of us thinks like you do... we all have opinions and ours is just as important as yours are. All I can say is if the crew is so important to you... then you know what you need to do... and not expect everyone else to do it for you... you have 2 choices... get busy working on the crew you find so important... or wait till someone else that cares about the info decides to add it.... but forcing other people to do any work on a profile they don't want to do is definitely not the answer. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Besides: there are DVDs out there that have NO cast & crew credits whatsoever. I have some travel documentaries like that. Implementation of surfeur's suggestion would imply that it would become impossible to contribute these to the central database. |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
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Yes, a contribution should depend on how big it is. Too much people contribute just to have their name on the list of contributors, and that is why I wanted , three years ago, that this list was deleted. If people contributed only significant data, we would have avoided ping ponging, and that rules that should be a guide.
So what if there is only one thing wrong with the profile?.... if what you are correcting is not big enough it can never be fixed because it can not be contributed do to the size of the contribution... and as I said... not everyone wants to mess with all... just because cast and all is important to YOU does not make it important to everyone... but everyone has to do it anyway because YOU think it is important... Wow! I am glad Invelos doesn't think the way you do!
And what if how I want to do my cast and crew does not match the way Invelos wants it... so I keep mine local only... the way you have it I would not be able to contribute because I prefer mine another way.... This is why we have partial contributions... so we can contribute ONLY the sections that we care to contribute.... not contribute what surfeur51 finds important... personally I couldn't care less what you find important.
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For crew, I wrote "at least director"..., so it is not confusing
You highlight the confusing part... and completely ignore the first part where I said I personally couldn't care less about the crew section... that includes the director... I couldn't care less who is behind the camera... I care about who is in front of the camera. But once again you feel I should be forced to contribute information I don't care about because it is important to You... wow! sounds like this is all about you to me!
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Profile for future release are useful if they contain data. To find a profile with a title and a thumbnail from Amazon is no interest...
Maybe In Your Opinion that is the only time they are useful.... but I... as well as many other find the future release profiles very important. Personally even if it is only UPC and title... and doesn't have coverart or anything else I find it useful. if the movie is not out yet... and the movie is a new release (never on home video before) then the info didn't come from the credits... and not allowed per the rules.
Once again it sounds like only what is important to you... and once again I would have to say personally I couldn't care less what you find important.
You need to remember... there is more people out in the world then you... and not all of us thinks like you do... we all have opinions and ours is just as important as yours are.
All I can say is if the crew is so important to you... then you know what you need to do... and not expect everyone else to do it for you... you have 2 choices... get busy working on the crew you find so important... or wait till someone else that cares about the info decides to add it.... but forcing other people to do any work on a profile they don't want to do is definitely not the answer. I think you have not read what I wrote. We were speaking of FIRST contributions. | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
All I can say is if the crew is so important to you... then you know what you need to do... and not expect everyone else to do it for you... you have 2 choices... get busy working on the crew you find so important... or wait till someone else that cares about the info decides to add it.... . Don't worry for me , I'm satisfied with the cast of all my profiles, that are complete, don't come from a third party database, and don't suffer from stupid rules... I have no problem about working on them. | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I read what you wrote... and I am talking about all profiles... but as I said... Quote:
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For crew, I wrote "at least director"..., so it is not confusing[/blockqoute]
You highlight the confusing part... and completely ignore the first part where I said I personally couldn't care less about the crew section... that includes the director... I couldn't care less who is behind the camera... I care about who is in front of the camera. But once again you feel I should be forced to contribute information I don't care about because it is important to You... wow! sounds like this is all about you to me! Whether it is first profile or not... your way I (or anyone else not interested in those sections) would be forced to fill in info I am not interested in what so ever... plus as for some new profiles it is against the rules... as in pre-releases... those credits must come from the credits only. Whether the profile is a new one... or an update to a profile no one has the right to force someone else to do any of the fields they are not interested in. You do realize this is volunteer work.... I am not getting paid... so I feel no obligation to fill in every field. Contributers do as much or as little as they feel and do so following the rules the owner put forth... with the documentation they require... if we can't then we have to expect to get declined (to go back to the original topic). | | | | Pete |
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