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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
Quote: We shoudl have a way of linking these is the program. IMHO, we already have that, since the rules do NOT say to enter studios "as credited", but instead tell us to use "correct names" for studios. So there's the linking system: we just use the correct studio name regardless of minor variations seen on the screen. As far as I'm concerned, the prescribed-by-the-rules "correct name" for Twentieth Century-Fox is Twentieth Century Fox. Some of these known variations are already automatically corrected by Invelos filter (i.e. "20th Century Fox" becomes "Twentieth Century Fox"), but the rest we need to do by ourselves. And here is the problem. The rules ask for correct names. IMHO, the correct name is the name in the credits. Because studios can change their names whenever they want, going by the current name is just ridiculous. In all fairness, that needs to be taken in context at the time it was written. The Rules referred to "correct studio names" and then reffered people to the now "defunct" studios thread which was supposed to be the "standard name" that was to be used. Which essentially means not to use "credited as". Personally, I say enter it exactly as it appears on screen. If you really want to see all films by 20th Century Fox and all its permutations, simply filter on all variations. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
I thought I'd seen one for Warner Bros as well. If I remember correctly Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer also. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
Quote: We shoudl have a way of linking these is the program. IMHO, we already have that, since the rules do NOT say to enter studios "as credited", but instead tell us to use "correct names" for studios. So there's the linking system: we just use the correct studio name regardless of minor variations seen on the screen. As far as I'm concerned, the prescribed-by-the-rules "correct name" for Twentieth Century-Fox is Twentieth Century Fox. Some of these known variations are already automatically corrected by Invelos filter (i.e. "20th Century Fox" becomes "Twentieth Century Fox"), but the rest we need to do by ourselves. And here is the problem. The rules ask for correct names. IMHO, the correct name is the name in the credits. Because studios can change their names whenever they want, going by the current name is just ridiculous.
Perhaps we need a "Credited as" system for Studios as well *ducks for cover* Lobs hand grenade. Where's the Ka-Boom, there was supposed to an ear-splitting Ka-Boom. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,738 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: The rules ask for correct names. IMHO, the correct name is the name in the credits. The rules could easily said "as credited". But they explicitly don't. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: Quoting T!M:
Quote: Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
Quote: We shoudl have a way of linking these is the program. IMHO, we already have that, since the rules do NOT say to enter studios "as credited", but instead tell us to use "correct names" for studios. So there's the linking system: we just use the correct studio name regardless of minor variations seen on the screen. As far as I'm concerned, the prescribed-by-the-rules "correct name" for Twentieth Century-Fox is Twentieth Century Fox. Some of these known variations are already automatically corrected by Invelos filter (i.e. "20th Century Fox" becomes "Twentieth Century Fox"), but the rest we need to do by ourselves. And here is the problem. The rules ask for correct names. IMHO, the correct name is the name in the credits. Because studios can change their names whenever they want, going by the current name is just ridiculous.
In all fairness, that needs to be taken in context at the time it was written. The Rules referred to "correct studio names" and then reffered people to the now "defunct" studios thread which was supposed to be the "standard name" that was to be used. Which essentially means not to use "credited as".
Personally, I say enter it exactly as it appears on screen. If you really want to see all films by 20th Century Fox and all its permutations, simply filter on all variations. Not entirely true, hal =, since i built that thread. In the case of Fox i halisted all the various variants for them, just as I did for MGM, Universal and Paramount. Therefore BOTH Twentieth Century Fox and Twentieth century-Fox were listed, meaning you were to use the data that appeared ON SCREEN. You were not to list Twentieth Century fox in place of Twentieth Century-Fox. That hasn't changed. Nor should you list Metro-Golwyn Mayer pictures for metro-Goldwyn-Mayer. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: The rules ask for correct names. IMHO, the correct name is the name in the credits. The rules could easily said "as credited". But they explicitly don't. Keep squirming | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,738 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: Keep squirming Instead of going around in circles, let me just refer you to my previous post. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,203 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: In all fairness, that needs to be taken in context at the time it was written. The Rules referred to "correct studio names" and then reffered people to the now "defunct" studios thread which was supposed to be the "standard name" that was to be used. Which essentially means not to use "credited as". If memory serves, the original thread listed all 'correct' variations, not a single standard. Quote: Personally, I say enter it exactly as it appears on screen. If you really want to see all films by 20th Century Fox and all its permutations, simply filter on all variations. Agreed. We already have enough areas of contention, why make this one harder than it has to be? Just copy the film credits and be done with it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
Quote: Keep squirming Instead of going around in circles, let me just refer you to my previous post. By all means, Tim, let's encourage more ping-ponging and the resultant hostility and arguments. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: In all fairness, that needs to be taken in context at the time it was written. The Rules referred to "correct studio names" and then reffered people to the now "defunct" studios thread which was supposed to be the "standard name" that was to be used. Which essentially means not to use "credited as". If memory serves, the original thread listed all 'correct' variations, not a single standard.
Quote: Personally, I say enter it exactly as it appears on screen. If you really want to see all films by 20th Century Fox and all its permutations, simply filter on all variations. Agreed. We already have enough areas of contention, why make this one harder than it has to be? Just copy the film credits and be done with it. Indeed it did, my friend, indeed it did. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 10, 2007 | Posts: 4,282 |
| Posted: | | | | The three auto-corrections we do at this time are: "20th Century Fox Home Entertainment" becomes "Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment", "Warner Brothers" or "Warner Bros" becomes "Warner Bros.", and "Metro Goldwyn Mayer" becomes "Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer" We do this not to standardize on particular studio names, but to correct some common errors. The studios do enough fragmenting due to name changes without our help. | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,738 |
| Posted: | | | | And they've proven to be a big help! As you can see, we need lots more of them... |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | The first two I have no problem with, Ken.
The third one NO, that may be making a change from the ACTUAL credited studio. Which you know i oppose.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: And they've proven to be a big help!
As you can see, we need lots more of them... NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just keep piling up reasons for me not to Contribute, which Ken, i don't think is a good thing, You have no idea how many hundreds of titles I have here that are NOT in the database Online, just because of this kind of foolishness. I don't see that as a good thing, maybe you do. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: If memory serves, the original thread listed all 'correct' variations, not a single standard.
Yes, that is correct. However, my point is that the reference you quoted was pointing to a thread that was to be used to not enter studios "as credited", however, you were implying above that "use the correct studio" in the original context actually meant to use "as credited". It did not. I never liked or wanted the "studios" thread in the first place. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: The first two I have no problem with, Ken.
The third one NO, that may be making a change from the ACTUAL credited studio. Which you know i oppose.
Skip I agree. | | | Hal |
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