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| Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 8 |
| | Posted: | | | | Short of visual counting I am not sure how the store is keeping track of which DVDs are being sold, but nonetheless both single and 2 disc versions of Eragon were both released together, and currently both seem to have same UPC.
YT |
| | Registered: April 6, 2007 |  Posts: 153 |
| | Posted: | | | | I had a similar issue today. I have the remake of Ocean's 11 in my database with EAN 7-321917-214940 but local only, not yet in the main database as I haven't scanned the cover yet. However, the original Ocean's 11 of 1960 was contributed now ... but has exactly the same EAN 7-321917-214940 and there doesn't seem to be any error ... both discs actually have the same EAN.
How the shops and the distributor deals with this I don't know, because it surely is far from the same movie!
Since the 1960 version is now in the DB, should I just remove the EAN of the later version and change that to disc ID or should one try to determine which disc was released first? | | | ---
¡Hola! |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Aryn Ravenlocke: Quote:
Now I am having this same problem with two different release versions of the same movie, Eragon. The first profile with the UPC is the 2-Disc Special Edition with the dragon on the cover. However the single disc edition with the poster art on the cover is apparently using the same UPC. Even more annoying for me is that because I didn't check my voice mail before shopping, I now own both versions.
Disc ID doesn't seem to help either.
Most annoying I tell you. I'm only going by the info on DVD Pacific, but the UPC for the 2 disc edition seems to be: 0-24543-42688-2 and the single disc is 0-24543-42698-1? |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Johan1FS: Quote:
I had a similar issue today. I have the remake of Ocean's 11 in my database with EAN 7-321917-214940 but local only, not yet in the main database as I haven't scanned the cover yet. However, the original Ocean's 11 of 1960 was contributed now ... but has exactly the same EAN 7-321917-214940 and there doesn't seem to be any error ... both discs actually have the same EAN.
How the shops and the distributor deals with this I don't know, because it surely is far from the same movie!
Since the 1960 version is now in the DB, should I just remove the EAN of the later version and change that to disc ID or should one try to determine which disc was released first? According to what I've been able to find out, the 60s film was released first on the EAN (in May 2002), so leave that one as it is and use the Disc ID as the EAN for the remake (released in Aug 2002). Edit: I've just had a quick look, at it seems they are both already in the online db as described above, so if you change the EAN of the remake in your local db to the disc ID, it should now link itself to the online version. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| | Registered: April 6, 2007 | | Posts: 153 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Edit: I've just had a quick look, at it seems they are both already in the online db as described above, so if you change the EAN of the remake in your local db to the disc ID, it should now link itself to the online version. Cool --- thanks! I don't generally pop the DVD's into my PC unless I want to check finer details so I didn't even think of seeing if the DiscID is listed, but friendly contributor Caroline seems to have done both profiles recently and caught on to it. I actually did PM her about the 1960s version as well, but I guess she was watching Super14 rugby! | | | ---
¡Hola! |
|  | kacang | | live to ride, ride to liv |
| Registered: April 15, 2007 | | Posts: 5 |
| | Posted: | | | | Even a worse case is the DVD's I get here in Indonesia sometimes, the UPC is the same as the US version, BUT..... it's region 3 and usually also has asian subtitles on it.. How about that ??
Erick |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kacang: Quote:
Even a worse case is the DVD's I get here in Indonesia sometimes, the UPC is the same as the US version, BUT..... it's region 3 and usually also has asian subtitles on it.. How about that ??
Erick If it's a different locality then it doesn't matter if it has the same UPC. Although in this case it's sounds like you're probably buying bootlegs. | | | | Guns don't kill people. Hammers do. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kacang: Quote:
Even a worse case is the DVD's I get here in Indonesia sometimes, the UPC is the same as the US version, BUT..... it's region 3 and usually also has asian subtitles on it.. How about that ??
Erick I find that in Taiwan and Hong Kong a lot as well. If the Disc-ID matches (happens occasionally, oprovided the DVD is encoded for more than one region), I just use the US profile and lock the fields that are specific for the Asian release (I don;tr think that applies for your case...). If it is an Asian release, I used to check first, if it matches the Hong Kong release, as more people will use that profile and contribute to it. (Unfortunately the new database doesn't have many of the Hong Kong DVDs yet, so currently it's unlikely you''ll find it there. But maybe wait a few days, as Ken is planning to merge the IVS database and probably many of the "missing" profiles will appear shortly.) If that is still not possible, you can always create a profile with the Locality Indonesia... | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | kacang | | live to ride, ride to liv |
| Registered: April 15, 2007 | | Posts: 5 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kevin Coed: Quote:
Quoting kacang:
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Even a worse case is the DVD's I get here in Indonesia sometimes, the UPC is the same as the US version, BUT..... it's region 3 and usually also has asian subtitles on it.. How about that ??
Erick
If it's a different locality then it doesn't matter if it has the same UPC. Although in this case it's sounds like you're probably buying bootlegs. kevin these are definately NOT bootlegs, I know the company that imports and distributes these DVD's and know even the owner. 100% legit, even has duti paid hologram stamps on them. anyway, so you are saying that even if the UPC is exactly the same but region is different that the DB treats them as separte entities.. If that's the case I can upload those profiles!! |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,652 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Johan1FS: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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Edit: I've just had a quick look, at it seems they are both already in the online db as described above, so if you change the EAN of the remake in your local db to the disc ID, it should now link itself to the online version.
Cool --- thanks! I don't generally pop the DVD's into my PC unless I want to check finer details so I didn't even think of seeing if the DiscID is listed, but friendly contributor Caroline seems to have done both profiles recently and caught on to it. I actually did PM her about the 1960s version as well, but I guess she was watching Super14 rugby! She was not watching Super14 Rugby! Not actually interested barring that the SA teams won and it is now an all SA final! I was probably on my way back from Dikhololo (a game farm near Brits) where I had spent the day having a champagne breakfast and game drive, and did not log on at all over the week-end. Anyway, it was coincidence that I did them the right way around as I did the older version first then the newer version! I came across the duplicate and decided that the only way around the problem was to use the disc ID. By the way, Northbloke, how do you check that kind of info? | | | <---------Mithrandir, Laverne and Shirley
Caroline |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting Darxon:
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And sometimes they're released on the same day. The German Edition of "Evolution" comes to mind: there's a limited digipak edition, with different cover, different overview but the same DVD as the regular version, both released on the same day.
In such cases, should the limited edition carry the UPC, or the more commonly available regular edition?
Released on the same day with the same UPC? I have yet to see this. How would stores manage those releases in their system?
I have seen 2 releases on the same day with different UPCs or 2nd releases with the same UPC much later after the first release, but no combination of both cases. Gee, Rho, this has been explained MANY times. It is not uncommon to see up to FOUR different UPC#'s for the same title on release date, this due to the various security systems used by retailers OR no security. This way the distributor can make sure the appropriate product gets to the correct retailer. And the later UPC you refer to is also not uncommon and has been discussed. This is frequently due to usasge of slip case for a limted period time, and once the supply of slips is exhausted the title will be re-released at a lower SRP. This is why sometimes you will a slip that has a different UPC from its enclosed Keep Case. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 172 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think we need all versions of a title in the DB by UPC. This could be accomplished by adding a check boxes to designate a re-release like re-release 1, re-release 2, and so forth. This way we could keep track of all version of a title and everyone could contribute their version and/or download their version, not just the initial release using that UPC.
Also posting in the feature request. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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Quoting Darxon:
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And sometimes they're released on the same day. The German Edition of "Evolution" comes to mind: there's a limited digipak edition, with different cover, different overview but the same DVD as the regular version, both released on the same day.
In such cases, should the limited edition carry the UPC, or the more commonly available regular edition?
Released on the same day with the same UPC? I have yet to see this. How would stores manage those releases in their system?
I have seen 2 releases on the same day with different UPCs or 2nd releases with the same UPC much later after the first release, but no combination of both cases.
Gee, Rho, this has been explained MANY times. It is not uncommon to see up to FOUR different UPC#'s for the same title on release date, this due to the various security systems used by retailers OR no security. This way the distributor can make sure the appropriate product gets to the correct retailer. And the later UPC you refer to is also not uncommon and has been discussed. This is frequently due to usasge of slip case for a limted period time, and once the supply of slips is exhausted the title will be re-released at a lower SRP. This is why sometimes you will a slip that has a different UPC from its enclosed Keep Case.
Skip That's what I'm saying: if more than one package is released at the same time, they do hold a different UPC. Different packages with the same UPC at the same time are not manageable in an economy with where the UPC is used for inventory management. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sometimes, Rho it's not a different package, in fact usually, everything is the same with the exception of the UPC and the security technology, visually otherwise everything is the same. Disc ID may or may NOT be different, I suppose probably dependent on the size of the release.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 |  Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have a very good example of why different DVDs for the same UPC should be possible.
Carrefour, a large supermarket chain in Europe, once sold a dozen of different movies for, I believe, €1. Well, they all had the same UPC! These were somehow released by them themselves as all the back covers carried the Carrefour logo.
Obviously, none of these are in the DVD Profiler database... | | | | Last edited: by hevanw |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Repter: Quote:
I have a very good example of why different DVDs for the same UPC should be possible.
Carrefour, a large supermarket chain in Europe, once sold a dozen of different movies for, I believe, €1. Well, they all had the same UPC! These were somehow released by them themselves as all the back covers carried the Carrefour logo.
Obviously, none of these are in the DVD Profiler database... Well they should be contributable to Version 3 with the longer disc id. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
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