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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 188 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Oh, get over yourself. It is NOT very rare. It is a very old, and very common tradition in western culture. I don't know just a couple people, I know hundreds personally, and have seen the records for thousands in the archives of the court house. As I said before, this whole double name thing is a very recent phenomenon in the US, and while it might be prevalent in the more liberal parts of the country - especially in the big cities - it is by no means traditional. I doubt I could name *HUNDREDS* of married couples that I know *PERSONALLY*. Not to mention I usually have better things to do than do random searches in my local courthouse. I smell a troll... | | | | Build a man a fire and you keep him warm for a day. Set a man on fire and you keep him warm the rest of his life. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Don't get so worked up. The poll speaks for itself. | | | | Hal |
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 | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is so useless!
Proper DB design would solve this argument | | | | Dan |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
This is so useless!
Proper DB design would solve this argument I wonder if Ken ever takes these kinds of statements personally...it get's kind of old hearing the same 'data base gods' make these same condescending statements. If the DB design is so bad I wonder why they even bother using the program.  NOTE: While this will probably be taken as a personal attack, it wasn't meant that way. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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Absent that, one errs on the side of common usage and tradition, which is what I was talking about.
Common in your limited experience does not equal common to the rest of the world.  My limited experience, huh? You arrogance is astounding. You have no idea what my experience is. You can't come up with a cogent argument to negate what I said so you all you do is ridicule. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Don't get so worked up. The poll speaks for itself. There's an old adage that goes "figures don't lie, but liars figure." The poll is worthless because it relies on personal preference for one, and makes no provision for how the data is entered vs displayed. Nobody has provided anything more than anecdotal proof, either for this one or Carter. But that's OK, just sit back and shut up. Hal will TELL us what we're supposed to think. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 413 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think the problem here is that many people consider middle name equal to first name (christian names, given names). Middle name is one of the given names. However, many times maiden name is used together with husband's last name even when first name is not mentioned. Just make eg. following Google search: "Ms. Pinkett Smith". When Pinkett in that case is used together with Ms., I think it is an indication of Pinkett being part of her last name (surname, married name).
Before her marriage her middle name was Koren. I do not think that she was ever called as "Miss Koren Pinkett". Then, IF Pinkett became her new middle name, why would anybody call her now as "Ms. Pinkett Smith"? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote:
There is a 3rd compromise option:
Use Common Name "Jada//Pinkett" and use the As credited field for "Jane Pinkett Smith" That is what I would do. Therefore I can't vote. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
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Absent that, one errs on the side of common usage and tradition, which is what I was talking about.
Common in your limited experience does not equal common to the rest of the world.
My limited experience, huh? You arrogance is astounding. You have no idea what my experience is. You can't come up with a cogent argument to negate what I said so you all you do is ridicule. I do not need to know your experience to know that it is not equal to that of this collective community. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
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Don't get so worked up. The poll speaks for itself.
There's an old adage that goes "figures don't lie, but liars figure." The poll is worthless because it relies on personal preference for one, and makes no provision for how the data is entered vs displayed.
Nobody has provided anything more than anecdotal proof, either for this one or Carter. But that's OK, just sit back and shut up. Hal will TELL us what we're supposed to think. Well you quoted exactly what I said, but then claim that I said something completely different. I never told anyone what to think and never will. Very interesting. I repeat, the poll speaks for itself. Unlike you and and a few others, I trust this community to make these kinds of decisions based on what they collectively have discovered or know, and not the experience of a single person no matter how long they worked in a courthouse. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote:
Birth Name: Jada Koren Pinkett
Credited as Jada Pinkett
Name after marrying Will Smith: Jada Pinkett Smith
Credited as Jada Pinkett Smith
So how should the name be parsed?
Did her maiden name become her middle name or does she now have a double barrelled last name? Even IMDB can't decide. It shows this line in her bio section: Sometimes Credited AsJada Pinkett / Jada Pinkett-Smith / Jada Smith / Wicked Wisdom | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | The IMDB doesn't decide. It's just data, not information. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Nadja: Quote:
The IMDB doesn't decide. It's just data, not information. The point was that there is no definitive source that PROVES she has a double last name. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Quoting Gadgeteer:
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Birth Name: Jada Koren Pinkett
Credited as Jada Pinkett
Name after marrying Will Smith: Jada Pinkett Smith
Credited as Jada Pinkett Smith
So how should the name be parsed?
Did her maiden name become her middle name or does she now have a double barrelled last name?
Even IMDB can't decide. It shows this line in her bio section:
Sometimes Credited As
Jada Pinkett / Jada Pinkett-Smith / Jada Smith / Wicked Wisdom John, Do you know how to read? The line you quoted said "Sometimes Credited As". This is a list of ways that she has been credited. But I guess in the view of John 'I used to work in a courthouse' Rifter IMDb should just change all of their data to match your world view. pdf | | | Paul Francis
San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
Quoting Gadgeteer:
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There is a 3rd compromise option:
Use Common Name "Jada//Pinkett" and use the As credited field for "Jane Pinkett Smith"
That is what I would do. Therefore I can't vote. That's what I've done in my personal db for all married names. I use the original name as the master and link it to all of the credits. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I repeat for the umpteenth time in this user/programnmer's personal opinion and the BEST way to resolve this is by means of simple association. We don't have to fight and argue about which is the common name.
Jada Pinkett=Jada Pinkett-Smith=Jada Smith=Wicked Wisdom=Jada Pinkett Smith
Done no fight, no argument, any name that is searched on will yield the same list. I would set it up so that the users specific search would be what appears at the top of the list, and the user would also have the option to preform SPECIFIC searches. I ONLY want to see what I have for Jada Smith. I know thus far Ken has chosen a different way, but perhaps if we could all get behind this he might change his approach. My only concern is to eliminate all this bickering back and forth. I am not in any way being critical of Ken, he has done a stellar job in my opinion, but things can always be improved.
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