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I'm not arguing against putting the first volume in as a child to the box.  I'm saying its idiotic to then say the followup volumes that clearly are SUPPOSED to go into that box to complete the set CAN'T be added to the box set contents.

I knew that. I was asking why... With reference to the fact, that we don't do this in other cases either.

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Here's what I mean:

1. User buys boxset XYZ consisting of Vol 1 and a slipcase that can hold all seven vol in the series.
2. He creates a profile for the box using the UPC, and one for the vol. using disc ID.
3. The profile for vol. 1 is attached to the box profile via the boxset contents button.
4. 2 months later Vol. 2 is purchased.  User profiles it and adds it to the contents of the box.
5. Over the next 9 months, the remaining 5 vol. are purchased and added to the contents.
6. One year from #1, user has boxset XYZ with all 7 vol. in the box.
7. Subsequently, 17 other users download all 7 child profiles and the box profile, and link all together.

That's the way the process should work.  Bluetoothpaste or whatever his name is, wants to restrict anybody from adding those subsequent six vol. to the box contents, which would effectively prevent follow-on users from knowing which children to grab for a complete set.

That's maybe how it should work, in your opinion anyway, but the program won't let you. Once you own Vol1+ main profile any subsequent downloads of that profile will not change the Box Set Content in your local collection. So you'll still have to do that yourself manually. So there is really not a lot of a point to add them in the first place, going against a long standing tradition that profiles should reflect the original release.

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I found one of my own boxset masters during the frenzy to repopulate the database that I had forgotten to add the child profiles to.  Over a year after the master was set up, I downloaded and added the 7 disc profiles for that box set.  If we had to do things as you suggest I couldn't have done that.

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Ok...

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1. User buys boxset XYZ consisting of Vol 1 and a slipcase that can hold all seven vol in the series.

Yes.

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2. He creates a profile for the box using the UPC, and one for the vol. using disc ID.

Sometimes.  The profile for the included disc is more likely to be added by UPC.  There are occasional instances where the UPC is not on the included disc package, so you'd use disc ID there.

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Technical notes, trying to work out the exact program behavior:

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Given this, does it change any of how you feel about the issue?

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John, I am not going to re-explain, as you apparently aren't listening to what I say.

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My entire problem with this issue was two-fold.  First, some were saying it wasn't even a boxset, when it clearly is.

That was the question that was resolved in the first poll, and shouldn't even be an issue now.  If anyone is bringing that up now, they shouldn't be argued with, just pointed at the initial poll.  I don't remember seeing that in this thread, though.

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And second, that we shouldn't be able to even upload the profile of follow-on discs, let alone add to the contents of it.

This I think is where main confusion lies.  I have not gotten the impression that anyone is suggesting that the follow-on discs not be profiled and added to the main database.  It's only been a question of whether they should be added to the box profile's Box Set Contents field in the main database.  That's what this poll is about.


John, please step back, take a deep breath and relax a bit.  This is not nearly as complicated as you're making it out to be.

I'm trying to make each poll on how to handle volume 1 + box sets as narrowly specific as possible.  I didn't expand on what this poll is and is not about in the first post as I couldn't think of how any confusion could be had about it, but it looks like I'll need to revisit that.  From how close the votes are, it's probable that I'll need to rewrite it and run a new poll next week.


To clarify, this is not (and has not been to anyone in this thread except for you, John) about whether additional discs should be profiled and added to the database.  The default assumption is that they will be because that's how it's done at present.  Unless something is specifically brought up in the initial question, it should be assumed that the user will be using the program normally with regard to any particular point.

Also, to Tas314, this is not about how the first volume should be added (UPC vs Disc ID) and priced.  I gave my opinion on that while working through John's points of order, but it is not local to the argument, and discussion about it should be held for another time.


And, while I hope that the above will help clear things up for you, John, I'm also going to address your following post in which you seem to completely misinterpret nearly everything that was said.

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The hell it won't!  I have already added to the boxset contents after the fact and it works just fine.

He did not say that it was not possible to add Box Set Contents after the fact.  He said that it was not possible to update a local profile (run Refresh Updated Profiles from the menu, toolbar, or DVD profile General Info page) and have it update the Box Set Contents.  This is due to the fact that Box Set Contents are automatically locked locally, and will not be changed by running a refresh.  It is not about whether you can manually change the Box Set Contents.

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You guys are the ones self-imposing restrictions on this.

There has been no attempt to impose any additional restrictions.  The question of this poll, and all discussion on it, has solely been about how to handle one particular field (Box Set Contents) on one particular profile (the box profile made for a vol 1 + box product) with respect to what gets uploaded to the main database.

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And there is no long standing tradition about not adding content to a master profile of a boxset.

He did not say that.  The "long standing tradition" has been that "correct" info for a profile is what was originally sold (original covers, original SRP, etc), and is not modified when any of that changes in later re-releases.

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I found one of my own boxset masters during the frenzy to repopulate the database that I had forgotten to add the child profiles to.  Over a year after the master was set up, I downloaded and added the 7 disc profiles for that box set.  If we had to do things as you suggest I couldn't have done that.

What is being proposed would have absolutely no effect on your ability to do that.  The only question is whether you should be allowed to then upload the changed Box Set Contents back to the main database.

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BTW, I didn't have to download the master profile AGAIN as you imply, I already had it.

He is not referring to downloading the profile (ie: Add New Disc), he is referring to refreshing the profile for updates from the main database (ie: Refresh Updated Profiles).

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So, the whole question boils down to this:  If I add subsequent volumes, why shouldn't I be able to file an updated profile to include those additions to the contents in the master profile?  What's the point of even doing a child profile for the add-on volumes if you can't include the fact that they exist in the master's contents area?

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So, the whole question boils down to this:  If I add subsequent volumes, why shouldn't I be able to file an updated profile to include those additions to the contents in the master profile?  What's the point of even doing a child profile for the add-on volumes if you can't include the fact that they exist in the master's contents area?

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So, the whole question boils down to this:  If I add subsequent volumes, why shouldn't I be able to file an updated profile to include those additions to the contents in the master profile?  What's the point of even doing a child profile for the add-on volumes if you can't include the fact that they exist in the master's contents area?

Because that data is not valid for all users, the only thing that true for all owners of the box is that they have all the stuff that came in the box.

Not everyone is going to have the same volumes in their box at any given time. Your main profile should match what you own and the only way to do that for everyone is if everyone adds what they have locally.

As others have pointed out there are several Funimation titles that have both regular and limited versions of each volume. Some people have the box + the LE versions for 2+ some have the box + regular for 2+ and since the LE versions were quite limited there are some people with a mix of both.
Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya is another example where there are regular and SE versions of all discs.

For these sets there is no one correct list of box set contents. The only way that it can be correct for all users is if each user adds what they own to the profile locally.