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Can Dist Trait be taken from rear jacket? |
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| Registered: April 16, 2007 | | Posts: 63 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Skip: Quote:
"and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title."
Edited by me to shorten: there is NO other release which the title needs to be distinguished from. For the first release on any DVD there never was any other to distinguish from. That doesn't mean there won't be. If the info follows the rules it should be allowed if it does not then it should not be allowed. Doesn't matter if there is another version "at this time." It may need to be distinguished from another version at a later date. So that arguement doesn't hold water in my book. Just my opinion. Peabody |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
If we are going to go this route, then why wouldn't someone be able to take "Widescreen" from anywhere on the back cover, like the features area where it might list "Anamorphic Widescreen".
If they can do that, why can't they take some other verbiage from the back cover and claim that it is an "Edition"?
I really do not like where this is headed, although I do see that the Rules are silent on the issue.
Perhaps, we need to add a limitation that the Edition must come from the front cover only. I believe this was brought up in the previous discussion as well. I am not saying that we should be able to use any text from the back but when it is clearly an 'edition', I don't see a problem with it. In the profiles that Widescreen is attempting to change, they are all 'editions'. They are very similar, in look and format, to what is usually on the front. I don't think the fact that they are on the back should disqualify them. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
If we are going to go this route, then why wouldn't someone be able to take "Widescreen" from anywhere on the back cover, like the features area where it might list "Anamorphic Widescreen".
If they can do that, why can't they take some other verbiage from the back cover and claim that it is an "Edition"?
I really do not like where this is headed, although I do see that the Rules are silent on the issue.
Perhaps, we need to add a limitation that the Edition must come from the front cover only. That's all I'm bringing up here is the rules don't say Front cover only for Dist Trait., and that is what I have been challenging. Although I'm, being kickedinthenuts on my contributions voting tally I will leave for a day or so in case I have some changed bleeding hearts who will also take issue on this and side with me... I see North to Alaska has all Yes votes .., Yet the very same type DVD of JTTCOE is split 50 % .., Same issue same art design, differant votes. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | On the Legacy Series proposed changes, I agree that the front cover should take precedence over any verbage on the back cover. I also had a couple of those "Widescreen" entries as well. Personally, I voted neutral on them. I'm sure we can read the rule any number of ways to support adding or deleting this from edition information. In my personal opinion, it is a complete waste of time. For the two films that I voted on, "North to Alaska" and "Journey to the Center of the Earth," you have no option but to purchase the "widescreen" edition, at least in region 1. It's not like I need a big bold edition appended onto my title to alert me that I didn't mess up and get the fullscreen edition. It's just not an option.
Again, this is just my opinion, but this whole widescreen edition stuff is getting out of hand. In some cases, there are established lines. For whatever reason, Paramount saw fit to banner catalog releases with "Widescreen Collection." Okay, that implies some kind of series or branding of product that some obsessive/compulsive might want to collect. But the random mentioning of widescreen or DTS or fullscreen is worthless. I knew it was widescreen when I bought it. In case I forgot, I'll just look at the video format of the profile. It seems even sillier when there isn't another option. I mean, if you really want to add just the word "Widescreen," that would imply that you want to alert people to which version they are getting. When there's only one version available, is there a point to this?
Anyway, like I say these are just my opinions. Since I think the rule is open enough to allow just about anything in the edition field, I chose to vote neutral. Frankly, I couldn't tell you what is definitely right or definitely wrong on these. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | In the case of JTTCOE there is a 'box' in the centre of the rear jcket that clearly states 'This film has been modified from its original source and has been altered to fit your screen'.,
then above it ( in a nice Gold Banner it says Widescreen.., wouldn't it be nice to be on the safe side and be assured through voting that this is indeed a widescreen edition Dist Trait, Before you buy the disc to verify, and before you have to download and check the aspect ratio within the data base itself.?? | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
In the case of JTTCOE there is a 'box' in the centre of the rear jcket that clearly states 'This film has been modified from its original source and has been altered to fit your screen'.,
then above it ( in a nice Gold Banner it says Widescreen.., wouldn't it be nice to be on the safe side and be assured through voting that this is indeed a widescreen edition Dist Trait, Before you buy the disc to verify, and before you have to download and check the aspect ratio within the data base itself.?? Like I said, I voted neutral. I suppose it could be of some limited value to see the entire list of items in profiler and be assured that it is widescreen, but it's not like there's another option in the list. But honestly, if that was what I was using Profiler for, I would actually download the profile because I'd have more questions than that. Is it anamorphic, for example. I don't use Profiler in this way, but I don't find this particular reasoning all that compelling for adding the word "widescreen." But that's just me and I can't tell you that the rules preclude it. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Do editon/dist trait tags tell us very much?
Widescreen edition: No guarantee that it is OAR or anamorphic. Lack of this tag does not neccessarily mean it's not widescreen.
Special Edition: No guarantee that it's very special, nor does the lack of this tag mean it's not.
2-disc edition: No guarantee that a release that does not have this tag is single disc.
Collectors edition: No guarantee that it is any more collectible than other releases.
And if the reason for edition is to differentiate one release from a potential future, different release - there's no guarantee that something released without a dist trait will not be rereleased in the future, so how helpful is that really?
In my opinion edition/dist trait may be moderately useful when you shop for DVDs, but is pretty much useless when cataloging DVDs. It just tells us that a certain marketing tag was used.
With that in mind - how important can this be if the distributing company relegates it to the back cover?
While I have to admit that the current rules do seem to allow taking it from the back cover (or does at least not specifically disallow it), I would prefer that it is used only if it is displayed on the front cover. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | This desire to clutter up every single dvd profile with a "widescreen" edition has always seemed a bit weird to me. I suppose its because every single dvd that I see nowadays in R2 (UK) land is widescreen. Why would anyone buy a non-widescreen version. (ignore TV series of course where the original aspect wasn't widescreen) If you want to put something there why not "Crappy non widescreen version" on appropriate dvd profiles and leave the proper widescreen versions blank?  | | | | Paul | | | | Last edited: by pauls42 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
This desire to clutter up every single dvd profile with a "widescreen" edition has always seemed a bit weird to me.
I suppose its because every single dvd that I see nowadays in R2 (UK) land is widescreen. Why would anyone buy a non-widescreen version.
(ignore TV series of course where the original aspect wasn't widescreen)
If you want to put something there why not "Crappy non widescreen version" on appropriate dvd profiles and leave the proper widescreen versions blank?
You'd be surprised to see how many people still buy the "Crappy non widescreen version". I still hear people at target all the time "don't get that one mom...it has the yucky black bars on the top and bottom".  | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
If we are going to go this route, then why wouldn't someone be able to take "Widescreen" from anywhere on the back cover, like the features area where it might list "Anamorphic Widescreen". I think the voters will be able to recognize if there is an "Edition" mentioned on the back or if just some random item was chosen from the "special features" list. I am not worried about this. Examples I own, where the Edition is on the back: Vanishing Point: Widescreen Edition (in big letter on the top of the back) Predator: Widescreen Edition (in biog letters on the top of the back) Quoting Peabody: Quote:
Quoting Skip:
Quote:
"and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title."
Edited by me to shorten: there is NO other release which the title needs to be distinguished from.
For the first release on any DVD there never was any other to distinguish from. That doesn't mean there won't be. If the info follows the rules it should be allowed if it does not then it should not be allowed. Doesn't matter if there is another version "at this time." It may need to be distinguished from another version at a later date. So that arguement doesn't hold water in my book. Just my opinion.
Peabody Peabody, you are correct. If there is any sort of addition on the cover, it should be profiled, regardless if there is another DVD available at the time or release or not. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 663 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Quoting pauls42:
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This desire to clutter up every single dvd profile with a "widescreen" edition has always seemed a bit weird to me.
I suppose its because every single dvd that I see nowadays in R2 (UK) land is widescreen. Why would anyone buy a non-widescreen version.
(ignore TV series of course where the original aspect wasn't widescreen)
If you want to put something there why not "Crappy non widescreen version" on appropriate dvd profiles and leave the proper widescreen versions blank?
You'd be surprised to see how many people still buy the "Crappy non widescreen version". I still hear people at target all the time "don't get that one mom...it has the yucky black bars on the top and bottom". I hear that all the time as well. If they don't look like complete yokels, I usually try to explain to them that they are shortchanging themselves by buying the full screen version. I also keep the pressure on the dept. mgr. at Walmart to not get so damn many FS copies vs WS. They ALWAYS run out of the WS by Friday. | | | John
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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If we are going to go this route, then why wouldn't someone be able to take "Widescreen" from anywhere on the back cover, like the features area where it might list "Anamorphic Widescreen".
I think the voters will be able to recognize if there is an "Edition" mentioned on the back or if just some random item was chosen from the "special features" list. I am not worried about this.
Examples I own, where the Edition is on the back:
Vanishing Point: Widescreen Edition (in big letter on the top of the back)
Predator: Widescreen Edition (in biog letters on the top of the back)
Quoting Peabody:
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Quoting Skip:
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"and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title."
Edited by me to shorten: there is NO other release which the title needs to be distinguished from.
For the first release on any DVD there never was any other to distinguish from. That doesn't mean there won't be. If the info follows the rules it should be allowed if it does not then it should not be allowed. Doesn't matter if there is another version "at this time." It may need to be distinguished from another version at a later date. So that arguement doesn't hold water in my book. Just my opinion.
Peabody
Peabody, you are correct. If there is any sort of addition on the cover, it should be profiled, regardless if there is another DVD available at the time or release or not. Well Thank-you Ya_Shin., So you are saying that the Reissues of The Sting and Mockingbird (among others) in the Legacy series should be Editioned as Legacy Series 2-Disc Special Edition to seperate it from the earlier P/S releases???. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quote:
Well Thank-you Ya_Shin., So you are saying that the Reissues of The Sting and Mockingbird (among others) in the Legacy series should be Editioned as Legacy Series 2-Disc Special Edition to seperate it from the earlier P/S releases???. Is that even necessary when it says "Legacy Series" right in front, which seperates it nicely from any previous edition? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | OK Heads up guys,, I am forfeiting my argument about the whatever the heck I was asking about..,
Oh by the way I just submitted Bridge on the River Kwai (#043396057470) and took out the Special edition in dist trait ,, as it is only mentioned on rear of Jacket ...
I wonder who approved that???? | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,436 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
Well Thank-you Ya_Shin., So you are saying that the Reissues of The Sting and Mockingbird (among others) in the Legacy series should be Editioned as Legacy Series 2-Disc Special Edition to seperate it from the earlier P/S releases???. No, I was not saying that. the examples given were for DVDs where the front cover did not show any Edition. only the back does. The Legacy discs under discussion seem to have something on the front, so that can be used. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
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