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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | The fact of the matter is that until recently, very few people actually had any problem whatsoever determining the actual Title of a film. It wasn't until a minuscule minority around here decided that everything that they saw on screen (or on the cover) must be part of the title, that we started having any problems at all! It is unclear why after all these years of using DVDP, this revelation has suddenly occurred.  | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Maybe because of a few very vocal do-nothing users. Some people are very loud, very vocal and have expert opinions on many subjects, all while making few to NO Contributions to the database themselves, they simply want to sit back and have everything handed to them on a platter. In fact in many cases some of these same do-nothing users SOLE Contribution to this program and its forums besides being"experts" without experience is to make demeaning, disparaging and otherwise insulting remarks directed at other users. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Again, you are reaching conclusions that simply are not supportable except in your own mind. I made no conclusion at al, I merely recited the facts of what kind of things transpired and in this regard you are correct it is that behavior that eventually led to the development of the Rules.You really need to try to stop reading something that does not exist, in an attempt to either be argumentative or embarass me, I don't know which. One you can do and the other there is no way.
Skip You did more than 'merely recite the facts'. You added your own commentary. You said, and I quote, "we used to have users trying to twist the database to their needs on a weekly basis." That sure sounds like you are saying they were doing something wrong...unless 'twisting the db to suit their needs' somehow became a good thing. Your example of people 'twisting the db to suit their needs' was the sort title. All I am saying is that it is a bad example. They didn't try and twist the db, they were following the guidelines. Saying otherwise is a misrepresentation of the facts. I am sorry if that is not what you intended but, unlike some people, I don't try and read anything into what others have written. I take what you write at face value. No more, no less. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Maybe because of a few very vocal do-nothing users.
Some people are very loud, very vocal and have expert opinions on many subjects, all while making few to NO Contributions to the database themselves, they simply want to sit back and have everything handed to them on a platter.
In fact in many cases some of these same do-nothing users SOLE Contribution to this program and its forums besides being"experts" without experience is to make demeaning, disparaging and otherwise insulting remarks directed at other users.
Skip Blah, blah, blah, blah blah.............. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Differing point of view, james. While I agree with some of what you have to say. My view of users attempting remove perfectly VALID data such as many possessives, note I did not say all or even most, are maliciously tampering with the database for their OWN purposes and that is simply unacceptable. it is BTW a starting point, communality has NOTHING to do with it. IF communality is the objective, then accuracy in ANY form is irrelevant and it is bogus to pretend otherwise. But then that has already been very graphically demonstrated.
Skip Differeing point of view, Skip. My view of users attempting to include completely INVALID data, such as many possessives...note I did not say all or even most...are maliciously tampering with the database for their OWN purposes and that is simply unacceptable. See how easily that can be turned around? Both sides of the same coing.  As for communality, saying this has nothing to do with it is very short sighted. For this software to survive, and Ken to continue to make money, it has to cater to the majority. Catering only to the minority is just bad business.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Unicus:
Wrong, the database has to conform to what Ken wants to achieve with the database. If it were dependent we could find ourselves dealing with different Rules every week, kind of like we had with contributions ynder the old guidleines. the majority is imporatnt in terms of insight, but if that insight does not match what the programmer wants to do...then the majority takes the back seat and the minority might as well, because the programmer may well take us somewher no one expected. Its not a democracy and BTW you do attem,pt to re-interpret and parse EVERY word I say, and you are ALWAYS wrong in your assumptions.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
In fact in many cases some of these same do-nothing users SOLE Contribution to this program and its forums besides being"experts" without experience is to make demeaning, disparaging and otherwise insulting remarks directed at other users.
Skip It is not just these 'do-nothing' users that are guilty of this. It applies to 'do-something' users as well. The difference seems to be that some 'do-something' users feel that it is justified simply because they do something. It seem that mere fact, even though it isn't required, somehow makes them better than the 'do-nothing' users. It is a sad, sad situation. Please note that while this was a reply to Skip's post, it was a general statement and not directed at any one person. BTW, it is also a sad situation that I have to include this note. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 275 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Unicus:
Wrong, the database has to conform to what Ken wants to achieve with the database. If it were dependent we could find ourselves dealing with different Rules every week, kind of like we had with contributions ynder the old guidleines. the majority is imporatnt in terms of insight, but if that insight does not match what the programmer wants to do...then the majority takes the back seat and the minority might as well, because the programmer may well take us somewher no one expected. Its not a democracy and It really would help if you actually read anything I have written. I have always qualified my majority rule with Ken being the final say on the matter. If you aren't going to pay attention, please stop responding to my posts. It just wastes everbody's time. Quote:
BTW you do attem,pt to re-interpret and parse EVERY word I say, and you are ALWAYS wrong in your assumptions. Sorry, but no. That may be how you see it but that doesn't make it true. I take you at your written word. Please don't blame me when what you wrote isn't what you meant. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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In fact in many cases some of these same do-nothing users SOLE Contribution to this program and its forums besides being"experts" without experience is to make demeaning, disparaging and otherwise insulting remarks directed at other users.
Skip
It is not just these 'do-nothing' users that are guilty of this. It applies to 'do-something' users as well. The difference seems to be that some 'do-something' users feel that it is justified simply because they do something. It seem that mere fact, even though it isn't required, somehow makes them better than the 'do-nothing' users. It is a sad, sad situation.
Please note that while this was a reply to Skip's post, it was a general statement and not directed at any one person. BTW, it is also a sad situation that I have to include this note. If its up to Ken then why do you and others bandy about words such as majority and even democracy, Unicus. neither word has ANY relevance, UNLESS people are trying badger the programmer. The viewpoints have been expressed, nothing more needs to be said. And certainly not here. Some users need to really learn how to make use of the program before they start carping. In my poersonal opinion, Unicus, and this does not apply to you because you are not in that category. The users who choose to do nothing or very little and I do mean very little, have simply one objective in being very vocal and attcking in their comments. They want the data to come to them in a pre-packaged form that conforms to their particular criteria and they will say ANYTHING to achieve that objective, they do not even want to have to do any maintenance on their local. I have said before, I am very fortunate to be where I am in my life, and that I have the time to do what I feel like I want to do, to expect that of everyone would be absur, but it is equally absurd for users to do nothing for the common good, than to be argumentative, insulting, we would all be far better off if thiose users would take a small portion of the time they spend here disparaging what others have to say and Contribute to the database instead. I find it insulting not just to myself but to others in the community who also work very hard Contributiing to find that these vocal users have done NOTHING or near nothing since March. Kind of a play on an old saw. Those that can...DO, those that can't or won't...carp. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
The fact of the matter is that until recently, very few people actually had any problem whatsoever determining the actual Title of a film.
It wasn't until a minuscule minority around here decided that everything that they saw on screen (or on the cover) must be part of the title, that we started having any problems at all!
It is unclear why after all these years of using DVDP, this revelation has suddenly occurred. I've been a contributing member of this little community of ours since July 23, 2001 and to be completely honest with you Hal, to the best of my knowledge, Mister Roberts is the first title that I have added to my collection that has quotes around the title. I've never had a problem determining what constitutes "the title" until I attempted to make this contribution. If that makes me some sort of ignoramous then so be it. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,029 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
the database has to conform to what Ken wants to achieve with the database. I don't want to enter into another round of the same useless discussion, so I'm just here to post my agreement (with skipnet50, of all people). If Ken doesn't intervene against this crap, then he indeed gets what he deserves, maybe even what he wants. | | | | Matthias |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | 8Ball:
That might be Hal's opinion but not mine, the Cover and the Front Cover are a precise match in terms of the quotation marks, as you know. This was clearly the intent of the filmmaker, for what reason...I have no idea nor do I pretend to know more than the filmmaker does about HIS movie. It is indeed fairly unusual, though not unheard of, but it certainly is NOT the Common prctice, such as it is with TV Series Episodes.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
This was clearly the intent of the filmmaker, for what reason...I have no idea nor do I pretend to know more than the filmmaker does about HIS movie. What makes you think this? Just because the cover and screen match? Why this title and not the multitude of other films that have quotes round the title? | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
I've been a contributing member of this little community of ours since July 23, 2001 and to be completely honest with you Hal, to the best of my knowledge, Mister Roberts is the first title that I have added to my collection that has quotes around the title. I've never had a problem determining what constitutes "the title" until I attempted to make this contribution. If that makes me some sort of ignoramous then so be it. I'm curious 8ballMax - in an earlier post you intimated that you only contributed the quote marks because another profile already contained them. Had that profile never existed - would you have still thought the quote marks belonged there? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting 8ballMax:
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I've been a contributing member of this little community of ours since July 23, 2001 and to be completely honest with you Hal, to the best of my knowledge, Mister Roberts is the first title that I have added to my collection that has quotes around the title. I've never had a problem determining what constitutes "the title" until I attempted to make this contribution. If that makes me some sort of ignoramous then so be it.
I'm curious 8ballMax - in an earlier post you intimated that you only contributed the quote marks because another profile already contained them.
Had that profile never existed - would you have still thought the quote marks belonged there? Absolutely. There's nothing in the rules regarding titles that tell me not to include them. I see the DVD cover with "" around Mister Roberts, I check the film's opening title credits and I see "" around Mister Roberts. Therefore I assume "Mister Roberts" is the title. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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