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Registered: May 16, 2007 | Posts: 154 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Boykin: Quote: I submitted a contribution for Hannibal Rising and I have gotten 3 no votes because Dominic West has a birth year. I did not add a birth year to Dominic West. Someone else did on another DVD and I downloaded the update and now everytime I add Dominic West to a profile, he has a birth year.
When we find an actor that already has a birth year, are we to remove it? I have no idea if there are more than one actor with that name or not. Same thing happened to me. | | | Attracted to "svelte buoyant waterfowl". |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Well now had you bothered to actually read and learn around here instead of your normal technique, you would have learned from Gerri quite some time ago, that what you need to to do is simply add a not to your Contribution that the BY originated from somewhere else. If you don't note, and its there we have to presume that yoiu are making an undocumented change and thjat will draw No votes.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,414 |
| Posted: | | | | I contributed the Harrison Ford 1942 for all the ones in my collection, and also the Harrison Ford 1884 for all the ones where he's credited in my collection. I don't what more you think I ought to contribute, Skip, when you say only "half the job" is being done. Not a lot of people will have Harrison Ford 1884 in their collection since he was a silent film actor primarily, and none of his sound work is on DVD, but he is on DVD and properly in the database. He shows up on the Outside the Law/Shadows DVD credited; he is also uncredited in Foolish Wives and Sally of the Sawdust, but he's not in those profiles yet. Obviously, the current Ford wasn't born in 1884. His 1942 birth year is confirmed in my copy of Halliwell's Filmgoer's Companion 12th edition. | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Sounds like you did it right, Gard. What most users seem to do is supply the BY for whatever it is striking their fancy say Harrison Ford (1942) AND ignore Harrison Ford (1884). That is only half the job, they have to do BOTH.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 813 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Sounds like you did it right, Gard. What most users seem to do is supply the BY for whatever it is striking their fancy say Harrison Ford (1942) AND ignore Harrison Ford (1884). That is only half the job, they have to do BOTH.
Skip Wrong - having the birth year in one will differentiate the 2. | | | Andy
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,414 |
| Posted: | | | | I don't think so....if you have the BY in one, it will propagate into all the profiles of the actor without a BY (though not if there is a BY). Maybe I don't understand how this is working, but I think that's right. | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Sounds like you did it right, Gard. What most users seem to do is supply the BY for whatever it is striking their fancy say Harrison Ford (1942) AND ignore Harrison Ford (1884). That is only half the job, they have to do BOTH.
Skip Technically, maybe so. But allow me to raise a point of order here. Ford (1942) was in his early 30's when he made it to the show. The 1884 guy would've been around nearly 60 at that point. By the time 1942 was an A List star, the 1884 would've been nearly 90. The chances of those two EVER being in a name conflict is near nigh impossible. So why put a date on either one of them? Waste of time. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | No... it wouldn't be a waste of time... not if you have some movies of each actor in your collection... then it would be doing exactly what it is designed to do... keep the 2 seperated so when you click on one's name you don't see the movies for both actors pop up.
It would do exactly what it is designed to do... how could that be a waste of time? | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,203 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote: I don't think so....if you have the BY in one, it will propagate into all the profiles of the actor without a BY (though not if there is a BY). Maybe I don't understand how this is working, but I think that's right. You have it correct. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 810 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: Quoting skipnet50:
Quote: Sounds like you did it right, Gard. What most users seem to do is supply the BY for whatever it is striking their fancy say Harrison Ford (1942) AND ignore Harrison Ford (1884). That is only half the job, they have to do BOTH.
Skip
Technically, maybe so. But allow me to raise a point of order here. Ford (1942) was in his early 30's when he made it to the show. The 1884 guy would've been around nearly 60 at that point. By the time 1942 was an A List star, the 1884 would've been nearly 90. The chances of those two EVER being in a name conflict is near nigh impossible. So why put a date on either one of them? Waste of time. Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: No... it wouldn't be a waste of time... not if you have some movies of each actor in your collection... then it would be doing exactly what it is designed to do... keep the 2 seperated so when you click on one's name you don't see the movies for both actors pop up.
It would do exactly what it is designed to do... how could that be a waste of time? Because John does not like cast and/or crew linking. That is why he fights any use of BY to keep two people with the same name apart and the use of "common name"/"as credited". He has stated "I know which actors are in the films in my collection and I don't need linking to show me which other films they are in". pdf | | | Paul Francis San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,414 |
| Posted: | | | | FWIW, I just contributed an update on Foolish Wives, with Harrison Ford (1884) as an uncredited cast member. Here's the relevant portion of the Contribution Note I submitted: Quote: Harrison Ford (Birth Year 1884 to distinguish from the Indiana Jones Harrison Ford 1942, per Robert Klepper's book Silent Film 1877-1996) appears as the armless soldier first seen at 31m:14s and later in the elevator at 39m:00s, though he's not revealed to be armless until 01h:46m:51s. Compare photos of Ford at www.goldensilents.com/stars/harrisonford.html and http://silentgents.com/OGFord.html though he's made up to look older and battle-scarred here. Halliwell's Filmgoer's Companion 12th edition confirms his presence in the film. | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." | | | Last edited: by gardibolt |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Lopek: Quote: Quoting skipnet50:
Quote: Sounds like you did it right, Gard. What most users seem to do is supply the BY for whatever it is striking their fancy say Harrison Ford (1942) AND ignore Harrison Ford (1884). That is only half the job, they have to do BOTH.
Skip Wrong - having the birth year in one will differentiate the 2. WRONG. From what I have seen if you create Harrison Ford (1942), and I accept it, it does not creatre a new entry it merely changes all the Harrison Ford's to 1942, making a hash of the data. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | This would happen anyway irrespective of whether the two Harrison Fords had BYs or not. Because as soon as you download one profile with one Harrison Ford in it, all your Harrison Fords will be given that BY. So it makes no difference if the other one has a BY or not. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Hmmmm, come to think of it that would be correct. It seems BY has some kinks in it.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,436 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Hmmmm, come to think of it that would be correct. It seems BY has some kinks in it.
Skip That kink is what comes with the way it's handled and there is user interaction required. I explained elsewhere before. The program has two options: Create one new entry, breaking the linking and needing you to adjust all the others. Change the existing entry and needing you to adjust those that don't belong into the link chain. Either way, the user will have to do something about it. | | | Achim [諾亞信; Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan. Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 3,830 |
| Posted: | | | | Another BY problem, you don't have a clue when contributing a new profile, it has slipped in somewhere. Even when you update a profile and contribute it does not show up in the compare profile when submitting. Resulting a: Please use birth years only to distinguish between otherwise identical cast and crew. New birth year submissions must be documented. | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | Last edited: by ? |
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