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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Quoting pplchamp:
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The sad thing is, you're wasting all your time in this thread, Skip.
Yeah I know But there is aprinciple here that I think is fairly significant, and that is that users do not have the right to behave in this manner. Let THEM do the work...or learn how to ask.
Skip  A three hour thread for a 1 minute fix, pretty much a no brainer for me  I hope you feel you've made you point and your principle is in tact. Personally I would have changed it and thanked James, you, or whoever helped me with the proper way to do it based on the features of the new program...but that's just me  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Nadja: Quote:
Skip, explain something to me, please. How is someone asking you to change your submission any different than you asking someone to change their vote?
EDIT: Let's not say "any different", let's say "any worse". Tried to stay oughta this, but I have to say it wasn't the asking, it was the expectation that he was right and Skip was wrong. At least, that's how it came across to me. But even if he's right, Skip didn't make any errors because he entered the data "as credited." | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip, you're yet to deal with the point made twice already that both James and Andy used the word "please" in their comments; how does this fit into this imaginatively perceived "demand"?
Also, I don't understand how you're "offering them a way out". What do they need a way out of, and how is it yours to offer? Be sure to explain monosyllabically so I'll be able to comprehend.
You can't just say "oh I've spent 4000 hours on this DB" and then have a hissy fit after someone asks you to spend maybe 20 seconds making an additional change. Why IS it such a hardship on you? If you're NOT willing to do this tiny thing, you're clearly only in it to try and look good (which, let's face it, people are hardly blind to), NOT for the integrity and advancement of the DB; if all you wanted was for the DB to be as close to perfect as possible, surely you'd have no problem with this change. WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL? | | | | Last edited: by Nadja |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lopek: Quote:
That's fine Skip. But James advised you of the problem that you were causing common name linking in a polite way.
The issue for me is that instead of taking the info graciously and making the change/withdrawing your contribution, or discussing it with James privately, you decided to throw a public tantrum at James. 
Like I have said too many time recently, get over yourself old man. It isn't a problem. No user is under any obligation to enter any more or any less data than he is sure of. I can tell you right now, I'm not going to mess with certain things - this is most likely one of them. What I do enter will be accurate to the best of my ability to determine, but anything I'm not sure of or comfortable with, won't be touched. So, are you implying that I, or Skip, or anybody else who goes that route is wrong? Just for the record, I didn't see any proof submitted, just a statement that is supposed to be taken at face value apparently. Not me, and I'm sure not Skip either. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Tried to stay oughta this, but I have to say it wasn't the asking, it was the expectation that he was right and Skip was wrong. At least, that's how it came across to me. But even if he's right, Skip didn't make any errors because he entered the data "as credited." This brings up an interesting question. With the new 'credited as' feature, is the data correct? The new rule says, "Use the "As Credited" field where the person's name differs from the credited name." Maid in Manhattan was written by John Hughes using the pseudonym Edmond Dantes. I did a quick google search and was able to document it in about 5 seconds so I know it is true. This means that the person's name did differ from the credited name. According to the rules, you have to use the 'As Credited' field. Or am I reading that wrong?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Quoting Nadja:
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Skip, explain something to me, please. How is someone asking you to change your submission any different than you asking someone to change their vote?
EDIT: Let's not say "any different", let's say "any worse".
Tried to stay oughta this, but I have to say it wasn't the asking, it was the expectation that he was right and Skip was wrong. At least, that's how it came across to me. But even if he's right, Skip didn't make any errors because he entered the data "as credited." No-one has said he was wrong, only that there was more to be done. Which dovetails back into my previous post. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | Understand, Skip. For James to have submitted this himself, he would have either had to make whatever changes you had already made to the credits himself, add this alias, whatever it was, and then submit in tandem with your own submission, which is of course poor form and right for him to avoid, in addition to being far more effort than for you simply to make the additional change.
The other option would have been to wait two days for the revision to go through (assuming acceptance), and THEN make the alias change. What if he forgets during this time? Not everyone's lives revolve around DVDP. |
| | Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just when I was about to close this thread, it starts getting into a useful discussion. And I was all set to click that lock button.  Thanks a lot. PMs need to stay private, that's what the P stands for after all. Please don't make them public, for that is not what the P stands for. No votes aren't the end of the world, in fact nowhere near it. Far more important are brief, intelligent notes one way or the other. We also track user accuracy over the long term to help us evaluate contributions and votes. Would it help to have a response mechanism built in to the contribution system so the submitter can (politely, of course) rebut the No vote comments? | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative | | | | Last edited: by Ken Cole |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Rifter:
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Tried to stay oughta this, but I have to say it wasn't the asking, it was the expectation that he was right and Skip was wrong. At least, that's how it came across to me. But even if he's right, Skip didn't make any errors because he entered the data "as credited."
This brings up an interesting question. With the new 'credited as' feature, is the data correct?
The new rule says, "Use the "As Credited" field where the person's name differs from the credited name."
Maid in Manhattan was written by John Hughes using the pseudonym Edmond Dantes. I did a quick google search and was able to document it in about 5 seconds so I know it is true. This means that the person's name did differ from the credited name. According to the rules, you have to use the 'As Credited' field.
Or am I reading that wrong? That is how I understood it. | | | Schultzy - http://www.michaelschultz.net
grenactics - The art of skillfully fraggin one’s opponent with the use of grenades or other compact explosive devices that are thrown by hand or projected. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Just when I was about to close this thread, it starts getting into a useful discussion. And I was all set to click that lock button. Thanks a lot.
PMs need to stay private, that's what the P stands for after all. Please don't make them public, for that is not what the P stands for.
No votes aren't the end of the world, in fact nowhere near it. Far more important are brief, intelligent notes one way or the other. We also track user accuracy over the long term to help us evaluate contributions and votes.
Would it help to have a response mechanism built in to the contribution system so the submitter can (politely, of course) rebut the No vote comments? That could be handy... helpful even | | | Schultzy - http://www.michaelschultz.net
grenactics - The art of skillfully fraggin one’s opponent with the use of grenades or other compact explosive devices that are thrown by hand or projected. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | Can we please end this now.... I have made all the necesary changes alongside the crew changes skip had made. It took me all of 35 seconds. I want... NO, I DEMAND a BEER!  | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | Definitely, Ken. Although how would that work? If the vote should be changed, would the rebuttal remain? If not, then couldn't the voter just change his vote to and fro in order to shake off the rebuttal so that the screeners would never see it? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 793 |
| | Posted: | | | | 5 PAGES!  And I've just realised what film is being discussed here! What on earth is anyone doing not only owning this massive turd of a film, but openly admitting to owning it and openly arguing about its details in public? You should all be ashamed of yourselves! Go and throw your DVDs in the trash, delete the profiles from your collections and let's all petition Ken to get the DVD removed permanently from the database, across all regions and localities. Problem solved. You may now assume the group hug position. The astute among you may have realised that I have just admitted to having seen this film. For the record, I was forced to watch it because I was a DVD reviewer at the time and was sent a review copy. So there. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | Is this the one with Ralph Fiennes or the one with that McConaughey chap? They're both top films!
My name is Nadja, and I like chick flicks! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 793 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ralph Fiennes and J-Lo.
I like chick flicks too but not this one. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 775 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well they're not exactly Gere and Roberts but I could stand to see it again!  I can't wait to see it again! |
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