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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,804 |
| | Posted: | | | | O.K. we learn that third party databases are more or less a "no no"...
Sounds heretical, but why not thinking about a kind of franchise between invelos and imdb.com. I personally would pay 1 or 2$ for a kind of licence using it. This kind of cooperation could be an advantage of all parties... | | | | Thorsten |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
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I never use IMDb data, but I often copy cast and crew data from other regions to my locality. Am I now required to verify data that has already been accepted in the database? I think I'll just stop contributing cast and crew entirely and keep it locked and local... 
This is where we're headed......no doubt.
If certain users think they are doing the majority of the contributions now, they'll be doing all of them soon, because no one will have the time or inclination to provide all of the "proof" required.
So be it! Waaaaaa! Come in, Hal. I have said this for years. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | What's wrong with using the main source of data that the contribution should be coming from in the first place 'THE DVD' itself. If it's for cast / crew all you've got to do is reference the time frame from where the change is sourced, if anybody who wants to vote can't be bothered to check for themselves that's their lookout.
But at the same time if the credits say 'Bugs Bunny' played 'Mickey' and the character was referred to as 'Mickey Mouse' in the film then the rules do state that you can use a 'Third Party Source' Just make sure you reference that source in your notes, or is that too hard for some people.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kahless: Quote:
O.K. we learn that third party databases are more or less a "no no"...
Sounds heretical, but why not thinking about a kind of franchise between invelos and imdb.com. I personally would pay 1 or 2$ for a kind of licence using it. This kind of cooperation could be an advantage of all parties... No it would not and i will not pay for such licensing...unless IMDb cleans up THEIR act. They are ths single most INACCURATE source for data on the web. On euser said he sees errors in their data weekly, I can find errors in their data in nearly EVERY one of their records. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Patsa: Quote:
I never use IMDb data, but I often copy cast and crew data from other regions to my locality. Am I now required to verify data that has already been accepted in the database? I think I'll just stop contributing cast and crew entirely and keep it locked and local... Patsa: As I have already stated, it would depend on whether the title had been audited and who did it. There are some I trust and some I don't. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,804 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
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O.K. we learn that third party databases are more or less a "no no"...
Sounds heretical, but why not thinking about a kind of franchise between invelos and imdb.com. I personally would pay 1 or 2$ for a kind of licence using it. This kind of cooperation could be an advantage of all parties...
No it would not and i will not pay for such licensing...unless IMDb cleans up THEIR act. They are ths single most INACCURATE source for data on the web. On euser said he sees errors in their data weekly, I can find errors in their data in nearly EVERY one of their records.
Skip Yepp that's status quo! but if YOU skipnet50 are a part of the game, things could only get better  | | | | Thorsten |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting snarbo: Quote:
What's wrong with using the main source of data that the contribution should be coming from in the first place 'THE DVD' itself. If it's for cast / crew all you've got to do is reference the time frame from where the change is sourced, if anybody who wants to vote can't be bothered to check for themselves that's their lookout.
But at the same time if the credits say 'Bugs Bunny' played 'Mickey' and the character was referred to as 'Mickey Mouse' in the film then the rules do state that you can use a 'Third Party Source' Just make sure you reference that source in your notes, or is that too hard for some people.
Steve Steve: I think you are misinterpreting the Rules. This would oinly apply if there wewre NO roles listed in the film. If the film says Bugs Bunny as Mickey...so be it end of subject, Mickey Mouse would not be correct. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | kahless: I have my hands full here, IMDb needs to find their own Skip.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Patsa: Quote:
I never use IMDb data, but I often copy cast and crew data from other regions to my locality. Am I now required to verify data that has already been accepted in the database? I think I'll just stop contributing cast and crew entirely and keep it locked and local... I don't understand why it is so difficult to do what you say and then use your DVD to verify that it is correct? Maybe I am missing something but I just do understand the problem.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Unicus: I understand it, and so do you. neither one of us wants to say it.  Hint: It's a four letter word that starts with L So I said son, now where'd you learn to talk like that.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 555 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
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I never use IMDb data, but I often copy cast and crew data from other regions to my locality. Am I now required to verify data that has already been accepted in the database? I think I'll just stop contributing cast and crew entirely and keep it locked and local...
I don't understand why it is so difficult to do what you say and then use your DVD to verify that it is correct? Maybe I am missing something but I just do understand the problem. Agreed. Checking such a profile to verify it contains correct data doesn't take very long at all if it indeed is "as credited" - and if it contains incorrect data this will then be discovered and you can correct it before you contribute it. |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I think you are misinterpreting the Rules. This would oinly apply if there wewre NO roles listed in the film. If the film says Bugs Bunny as Mickey...so be it end of subject, Mickey Mouse would not be correct. I think the only time I have seen cast not listed with their roles are TV series, and usually during the beginning credits. I can't recall a film where their are actors listed without the roles they played, but I guess there could be some. So where would we get the roles for the actors of a TV Series where they are listed in the beginning credits without their character names? Certainly not IMDB. If we are not to use third party databases, then wouldn't that eliminate sites such as tv.com, tvguide.com and any episode guide since aren't they all databases? And what about uncredited or voice only actors that appeared in a tv series? Iit would be virtually impossible to include them in the profile at all. Or am I overreacting? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
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I used the source only for the year of production. I could also use www.ofdb.de for such info. There should be a list with sources not to use. That would make it easier to avoid this problem.
as you see above... no 3rd party database is allowed... If you want to verify what is on the back of the case (in most cases) you can usually get this year off the end credits. No, you can't! At least with the current definition of production year from the rules (theatrical release), it is not possible to get that info without any 3rd party source. The same is true for country of origin, SRP, and DVD release date. None of that info is available directly from the DVD or cover. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
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I think you are misinterpreting the Rules. This would oinly apply if there wewre NO roles listed in the film. If the film says Bugs Bunny as Mickey...so be it end of subject, Mickey Mouse would not be correct.
I think the only time I have seen cast not listed with their roles are TV series, and usually during the beginning credits. I can't recall a film where their are actors listed without the roles they played, but I guess there could be some.
So where would we get the roles for the actors of a TV Series where they are listed in the beginning credits without their character names? Certainly not IMDB. If we are not to use third party databases, then wouldn't that eliminate sites such as tv.com, tvguide.com and any episode guide since aren't they all databases?
And what about uncredited or voice only actors that appeared in a tv series? Iit would be virtually impossible to include them in the profile at all.
Or am I overreacting? I've notice on most of my TV collections that have the roles listed for the major characters listed right on the packaging. That is where I take mine if non are listed in the credits. | | | Are you local?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting richierich: Quote:
Back on CoO's  just to advise again John's link which is a very good 'double check' for a source - www.tcmdb.com I do like tcmdb. But it's still a 3rd party database.  |
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