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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,694 |
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Sounds like you did it right, Gard. What most users seem to do is supply the BY for whatever it is striking their fancy say Harrison Ford (1942) AND ignore Harrison Ford (1884). That is only half the job, they have to do BOTH.
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Technically, maybe so. But allow me to raise a point of order here. Ford (1942) was in his early 30's when he made it to the show. The 1884 guy would've been around nearly 60 at that point. By the time 1942 was an A List star, the 1884 would've been nearly 90. The chances of those two EVER being in a name conflict is near nigh impossible. So why put a date on either one of them? Waste of time.
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No... it wouldn't be a waste of time... not if you have some movies of each actor in your collection... then it would be doing exactly what it is designed to do... keep the 2 seperated so when you click on one's name you don't see the movies for both actors pop up.
It would do exactly what it is designed to do... how could that be a waste of time?
Because John does not like cast and/or crew linking. That is why he fights any use of BY to keep two people with the same name apart and the use of "common name"/"as credited". He has stated "I know which actors are in the films in my collection and I don't need linking to show me which other films they are in".
pdf If you're going to quote me, at least tell the whole truth and not just what you want to in an attempt to disparage me. True, I have no use - personally - for BY or common name, but that's only half the story. Neither feature is 100% functional. There are major problem in both areas that have yet to be addressed. Like some other people here who have a lick of horse sense, I do not think we should be using those two features AT ALL UNTIL THEY ARE 100%. Got it? | | | John
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
No... it wouldn't be a waste of time... not if you have some movies of each actor in your collection... then it would be doing exactly what it is designed to do... keep the 2 seperated so when you click on one's name you don't see the movies for both actors pop up.
It would do exactly what it is designed to do... how could that be a waste of time? OK, name a movie the old dude was in, any one... Also, are you seriously trying to tell me that somebody would not know which Harrison Ford plays Indiana Jones? Seriously, don't they have to at least be in neighboring generations for BY to work properly? 3 generations apart is stretching credulity as thin as onion skin. | | | John
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 810 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
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No... it wouldn't be a waste of time... not if you have some movies of each actor in your collection... then it would be doing exactly what it is designed to do... keep the 2 seperated so when you click on one's name you don't see the movies for both actors pop up.
It would do exactly what it is designed to do... how could that be a waste of time?
OK, name a movie the old dude was in, any one... Also, are you seriously trying to tell me that somebody would not know which Harrison Ford plays Indiana Jones?
Seriously, don't they have to at least be in neighboring generations for BY to work properly? 3 generations apart is stretching credulity as thin as onion skin. But if you want to use the Headshot feature you need a way to tell them apart. Sure looks like a good use of birth year to me. pdf | | | Paul Francis
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | In which regard, Paul, through the use of the Headshot Database, in which case apparently you are also downloading UNDOCUMENTED By data. Yet another reason why I build my own Headshots.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
OK, name a movie the old dude was in, any one... Also, are you seriously trying to tell me that somebody would not know which Harrison Ford plays Indiana Jones?
Seriously, don't they have to at least be in neighboring generations for BY to work properly? 3 generations apart is stretching credulity as thin as onion skin. Go back a page or so...gardibolt listed some. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
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No... it wouldn't be a waste of time... not if you have some movies of each actor in your collection... then it would be doing exactly what it is designed to do... keep the 2 seperated so when you click on one's name you don't see the movies for both actors pop up.
It would do exactly what it is designed to do... how could that be a waste of time?
OK, name a movie the old dude was in, any one... Also, are you seriously trying to tell me that somebody would not know which Harrison Ford plays Indiana Jones?
Seriously, don't they have to at least be in neighboring generations for BY to work properly? 3 generations apart is stretching credulity as thin as onion skin. First... I may not have any of the older one in my collection now... but that don't mean I wont in the future... after all I went to his bio and it lists 87 movies in his carreer. And I may easily know one's movie from the other just by looking at the titles... but... and this is a big but... THAT DON'T MEAN i WANT BOTH ACTOR'S MOVIES TO POP UP WHEN i CLICK ON THE NAME. And... why would they have to be in neighboring generations for BY to work properly? THEY ARE STILL 2 DIFFERENT ACTORS WITH A SAME NAME so the function of what the birthyear is DEASIGNED FOR is doing what it is meant to do. It may not be perfect... that much I agree on. but it does work... and it does work better then the common name feature does. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pdf256: Quote:
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Because John does not like cast and/or crew linking. That is why he fights any use of BY to keep two people with the same name apart and the use of "common name"/"as credited". He has stated "I know which actors are in the films in my collection and I don't need linking to show me which other films they are in".
pdf Good for him. Maybe not all of us are that clever. Nice reasoning though: he doesn't need it, so we are not allowed to have it.  | | | | Hans |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
Another BY problem, you don't have a clue when contributing a new profile, it has slipped in somewhere. Even when you update a profile and contribute it does not show up in the compare profile when submitting. Resulting a:
Please use birth years only to distinguish between otherwise identical cast and crew. New birth year submissions must be documented. Actually that is not the case... you do get told when the birthyear is there and when it isn't... here is proof... here is a screencap I took when someone claimed he wouldn't know if he removed the birthyear... it does indeed show the birthyear differences when submitting...  | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 813 |
| | Posted: | | | | Pete is right for existing profiles - it is clearly marked.
But for new profiles, there is nothing in the contribution system that highlights that you have a BY in your contribution. And as it is also not that clear when adding actors to a profile they can easily be contributed without your knowledge - obviously a waste of time for both ourselves and Invelos. | | | Andy 
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| | Posted: | | | | Yeah.. you are right that with a new profile there is no way of telling... as you don't see nothing butthe box to write your notes in... but I am not so sure about new actors to an existing profile... I would think since it would show the new actor that you are uploading.. that the year would show.. I will have to do a test later (when I have more time) to be sure though. | | | | Pete |
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| | Posted: | | | | OK... curiosity got the best of me... so I ran a test now... Note: I added to a boxset... so note that I do not use genre, cast, disc id's on boxset profiles. As you can see on the image above... you do see the birth year when adding new cast to an existing profile. All you have to do is look at the contributing cast list to see if there is any Birth Years added. So the ONLY time you don't know is when you are doing a new profile. Which I hope will change if we ever get partial contribution on new profiles as was requested before. EDIT: Another note... just realized I misread what Andy was sayiing... but will leavve this up... just in case anyone questions it in the future.   | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | It would help if there was an option to have the year displayed in the cast list locally, between the real name and role.  That way you could see at a glance which ones had them before submitting. I know they appear in the pane above, but that means you have to scroll through all the names. Which can be a pain with a big cast. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Lithurge |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 813 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would like to see something added to the popup box when you contribute (the one that asks about images) to highlight that your contribution includes birth years. You could even make it a tick box to include/eliminate them. | | | Andy
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
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Because John does not like cast and/or crew linking. That is why he fights any use of BY to keep two people with the same name apart and the use of "common name"/"as credited". He has stated "I know which actors are in the films in my collection and I don't need linking to show me which other films they are in".
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Good for him. Maybe not all of us are that clever. Nice reasoning though: he doesn't need it, so we are not allowed to have it. HEY, STUPID! I never said you couldn't have it. How many times do I have to say that? I said *I* don't want it. Anything that changes data already in my database without giving me the option to say no is wrong. Birthyear should be an electable change just like any other data field. | | | John
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 813 |
| | Posted: | | | | You do have the option - you get to preview all updates before deciding whether to accept them. | | | Andy
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| Registered: March 24, 2007 |  Posts: 240 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Yeah.. you are right that with a new profile there is no way of telling... as you don't see nothing butthe box to write your notes in... but I am not so sure about new actors to an existing profile... I would think since it would show the new actor that you are uploading.. that the year would show.. I will have to do a test later (when I have more time) to be sure though. I download a profile for a new DVD (A). Later I download a profile for DVD (B), it has a BY and it infects DVD (A) without me knowing. I make a cast change, I might see the date but I know I didn't add it. Unless it's way off I may not know it's wrong and if I'm not doing a full audit I'm not going to check every detail. Submit, if it's a long cast list I may not notice the change in the date year. I'm only expecting to see the change I made after all. Please use birth years only to distinguish between otherwise identical cast and crew. New birth year submissions must be documented. What birth year? I didn't add one? WTH | | | | Tom. |
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