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You may not agree, but this is a forum and I am allowed to express my opinion...

Yes of course, but you are not allowed to try to impose me your solution for my local database, exactly what you did writing :

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Yes, you will lose the parsing colors in the display...

that implied  I had to use credited as feature, which I'll never do...

You didn't wrote "you would lose", that could be seen as a piece of advice, but you wrote "you will lose", meaning that I have to follow your wishes. You will never be the master of my local, even if you dream of that. 

This is what happens when you take a post out of context.  You see, there was an entire conversation going on here.  I assumed, that you were capable of following the entire conversation.  I didn't think I had to restate every word, I had written previous to that post, in order for you to understand.  My mistake.   

That being the case, let me spell it out for you.  There is a feature available, right now, that will allow you to do what you want to do.  It requires a little extra work and, if you decide to use that feature, you will lose the parsing colors in the display.

Do you have to use that feature?  Of course not, but that is a choice you are making.  I hope that helps clear things up for you.  For the life of me I can't figure out why you are getting so upset. 

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You may not agree, but this is a forum and I am allowed to express my opinion...

Yes of course, but you are not allowed to try to impose me your solution for my local database, exactly what you did writing :

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Yes, you will lose the parsing colors in the display...

that implied  I had to use credited as feature, which I'll never do...

You didn't wrote "you would lose", that could be seen as a piece of advice, but you wrote "you will lose", meaning that I have to follow your wishes. You will never be the master of my local, even if you dream of that. 

This is what happens when you take a post out of context.  You see, there was an entire conversation going on here.  I assumed, that you were capable of following the entire conversation.  I didn't think I had to restate every word, I had written previous to that post, in order for you to understand.  My mistake.   

That being the case, let me spell it out for you.  There is a feature available, right now, that will allow you to do what you want to do.  It requires a little extra work and, if you decide to use that feature, you will lose the parsing colors in the display.

Do you have to use that feature?  Of course not, but that is a choice you are making.  I hope that helps clear things up for you.  For the life of me I can't figure out why you are getting so upset. 

Neither can I, Unicus, nor any of the others, and never have. I absolutely understand the issue the Asian name question and how it works, and have for over 35 years. But in the context of a film credit and how the data is displayed On Screen, I don't comprehend the relevance. BUT as long as the Online represents the data On Screen we are cool. But as the tick box is being described, my understanding is that it would have to be a local choice. I think setting up a situation where we watch data ping-pong simply on the basis of the color or name status for profiler purposes seems  ummm silly, it reminds me of the weekly updates we used to get as users fought over pennies in the SRP or other bits of minutiae.

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I can't believe that we are having this discussion again.  We had it back in June '08 (as well as about a half-dozen other times in the Contributions thread before that), started with the same request by surfeur51, and the same arguments were made there.  It ran for 17 pages.

In fact, I proposed a solution that most of the posters agreed would solve the problem and the thread ended, but nothing was ever done by Ken.

If he intends to do something about it, I'm sure he would have said something by now.  It might be part of a bigger solution (changing the way the database works completely in 4.0) or he might not want to change anything at all.  It would be nice if he told us either way, but for now, we need to follow the existing rules: in order, as credited.

I've made myself clear on the previous Asian name threads that if we go to reversing the names (entering Yun-Fat Chow, then using a checkbox or the Credited As field), I'm done contributing any Asian titles to this program.  I have at least 1,500 films from Hong Kong, Korea and Japan and am not interested in attempting to reverse the work (using the correct names as stated on screen) to please a minority of users who just want to make it easier to search by their surnames (something that is done locally anyway).  It is bad enough trying to fix the years of IMDB data for Asian films entered in the earlier days of Profiler (of which I admittedly was a participant before the rules ever came into place -- almost all of the reverse names currently in the database are a result of those IMDB days), but this would be intolerable.  Count me out to a local user only if this occurs.

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I believe you are one of the reasons I changed my mind on this issue to begin with...your post has a familiar ring to it.  The reason being, your collection of just asian DVDs is larger than my entire collection.  In fact, I believe it is the same for most of the people who have responded in this thread.

These types of changes will impact people like you the most and, because you are not vocal users, you are often forgotten about.

That is my biggest problem with it.  If we were talking about an army of users planning to fix all of the Asian titles in the database, I could probably find some way to support it.  But there are only a handful of us who own and contribute these titles.  Sure, the big titles would get handled pretty quickly, but the thousands of smaller films would be left to us few, to do something that would reverse what it is already correct.  The names are in the correct order, it is just the sorting that we are talking about.  I don't know why people (who likely have only a limited number of Asian titles since I don't see their names popping up much under Asian contributions) are so adamant about forcing an issue that rarely affects them.

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For example, continuing with the Chow Yun-Fat example, we have the issue of the given name.  Is it Yun-Fat or Yun Fat?

This problem would be solved with the credit lookup tool.