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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | I saw a contribution today that added an 'Edition' (Widescreen Special Edition) to a profile. This appeared on the back cover of the DVD, but not on the front.
Are we taken 'Edition' information from anywhere on the DVD these days?
Does that mean that if we see "Widescreen" anywhere on the case (like in the video info box on the back), then "Widescreen" goes in the 'Edition' field.
IMHO, 'Edition' should be restricted to what appears on the front cover, just like Title. | | | Hal |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 742 |
| Posted: | | | | Well, IMO, it depends. There might very well be DVDs out there, that actually state "Widescreen Special Edition" on the back cover, because someone in the art department of the distributor actually spent a second of thought on not §$$%§ up the cover art. There's also other edition information usually found on the back-cover (rental editions, for example - I know this topic isn't of too much concern for US users). Limiting valid editions to the front covers only might come back to haunt us. If an Edition is presented on the back cover, it still doesn't change the fact that it actually IS an Edition. But you might want to give this idea a shot in the contribution rules forum... (wouldn't get my approval, though) BTW, titles aren't restricted to the front cover, or did I miss turning away from the on screen credits? | | | Lutz |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 775 |
| Posted: | | | | It's like the Disney Treasures; I assume some still have the "Ltd. Series" suffix to the edition, which is nothing more than a random extraction from a bit of overview text on the obi. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Darxon: Quote: BTW, titles aren't restricted to the front cover, or did I miss turning away from the on screen credits? Nope, you are correct...except for TV Sets which do come from the front cover. The interesting thing is, people are invoking the "modified title" rule in order to always use the title from the DVD cover, when it is different from the actual film credits. Since this is done regularly, it seems that we should just change the Title Rule to say "from the front cover". BTW, I wasn't asking for a Rule change, just clarification from others. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | The rules on editions say that the edition can come from anywhere on the DVD cover, it doesn't specify front, back or spine. Darxon's right, this is especially handy for rental versions that sometimes only mention it on the back. However, I think that sometimes the edition field is over-used. Like people adding "Widescreen" when no pan & scan version has been released. As for the "modified title" thing, I haven't seen any abuses of that rule myself, but you're right - it is a bit strangely written. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Hal: I think yoiu and I are inagreement on this, our discussions all revolved around the front cover if my memory serves and that was the intent. But I can't find anything that says no, I can't support the Contributions that I have seen, but I don't appear to be able to vote No so I either don't vote or vote neutral. and not happy about it. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 585 |
| Posted: | | | | I don't think it should matter if it's on the front or the back. As was pointed out above, where it says it doesn't change the fact that it is an "Edition".
I also wouldn't mind seeing "Widescreen" used even if that is only seen based on the DVD specifications on the back, on the one condition that a Full Screen edition also exists with a different UPC. If there was only a Widescreen release and that's it then it does seem a bit redudant.
And actually, the rules seem to support that because they only state to use the box (doesn't specify front or back) for non-standard editions.
The only thing I don't agree with Hal's original post is if the contributer did it like Hal posted with "(Widescreen Special Edition)". The Profiler already separates the title and edition with a colon, so I don't see the purpose of using the parathesis and goes against how every other profile has been done. I'd vote no on that just because it goes against the examples used in the rules. | | | "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men" - Douglas Bader "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Vega:
With reference to the specific that example that Hal presented. The ones I have seen thus far using the BACK cover present Widescreen Special Edition as a continuous string of data. Unlike the typical one on the front that usually have the data broken up; for example Special Edition at the top and Widescreen at the bottom.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 585 |
| Posted: | | | | I don't have a problem with "Widescreen Special Edition" (I actually prefer that over "Special Edition: Widescreen" but that may just be me). It was "(Widescreen Special Edition)" I wasn't too thrilled about. Just didn't see the purpose in using the ( ). I wasn't sure if that was just how Hal presented it in his post or if that was how the contributer actually submitted it. | | | "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men" - Douglas Bader "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | I think that was just the way Hal was presenting the situation and that the actual disc showed Widescreen Special Edition without parentheses or quotation marks. At least that's how I read his post. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Vega: Quote: I don't think it should matter if it's on the front or the back. As was pointed out above, where it says it doesn't change the fact that it is an "Edition".
I also wouldn't mind seeing "Widescreen" used even if that is only seen based on the DVD specifications on the back, on the one condition that a Full Screen edition also exists with a different UPC. If there was only a Widescreen release and that's it then it does seem a bit redudant.
And actually, the rules seem to support that because they only state to use the box (doesn't specify front or back) for non-standard editions.
The only thing I don't agree with Hal's original post is if the contributer did it like Hal posted with "(Widescreen Special Edition)". The Profiler already separates the title and edition with a colon, so I don't see the purpose of using the parathesis and goes against how every other profile has been done. I'd vote no on that just because it goes against the examples used in the rules. Sorry if that was misleading. There were no parentheses in the actual contribution. I agree that the Rules only say "from the DVD box". Taking it from other than the front seems to open up a pandora's box for people to put Widescreen or "other" stuff in the Edition field at will. I think the Rule should be changed. | | | Hal |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: I agree that the Rules only say "from the DVD box". Taking it from other than the front seems to open up a pandora's box for people to put Widescreen or "other" stuff in the Edition field at will.
I think the Rule should be changed. The problem if we only use the front is that over here in the UK at least, we have rental and retail versions of the same film, and the only identifier is a "rental copy" box on the back, not the front. So if the rule was changed, we'd no longer be able to differentiate the two versions because the fronts tend to be identical. Maybe we should instead ask for emphasis in the rule that the edition field is only to be used where multiple versions are released at the same time in the same locality? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | But what if they are not released at the same time?
There can always be an exception for a specific case such as Rental DVDs. | | | Hal |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Sorry, I wrote that wrong, I meant "available" not "released". Or something like that anyway! |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 585 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: I agree that the Rules only say "from the DVD box". Taking it from other than the front seems to open up a pandora's box for people to put Widescreen or "other" stuff in the Edition field at will.
I think the Rule should be changed. I can see where you're coming from, but as stated above I don't really see the harm in allowing simply "Widescreen" as the Edition if there truly is a Widescreen and a Full Screen version of the movie. As in all cases, it comes down to the smarts of the voters and the screeners to weed out redundant or useless entries. I can definitely understand where you think this could suddenly open a huge increase in contributions with people simply submitting 'Edition' changes with who knows what, but I have a little more confidence in the intelligence of the people submitting changes. Of course, this could be because even though I'm a long time user, I am fairly new to the contribution/voting system and you may be more jaded after years of seeing submissions.. Give me a few more weeks and I'll probably see things you're way. | | | "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men" - Douglas Bader "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Posts: 103 |
| Posted: | | | | I think this question stems from the contribution for Unfaithful (UPC=024543058946) Widescreen Special Edition. I had to look around for this, but I know I have read over and over that the Edition is meant to differentiate the versions. If this is limited to the front cover (or the screen credits), this would be the same as the Fullscreen Special Edition (UPC=024543059622). The front covers are identical but obviously the titles inside are not. Widescreen Fullscreen |
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