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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 519 |
| Posted: | | | | I recently voted No on a contribution that I believed was making improper use of the "Credited As" field and I would like to know if you think I was right or not.
eg. Credits show actor name: J.C. Cunningham
In a discussion a while ago on the IVS forums, the consensus was that this should be parsed as J./C./Cunningham
The contribution I voted No on correctly parsed as above but also included Credited As "J.C. Cunningham" because there are no spaces between initials in the credits. I think that this is unnecessary and adds redundant data. Especially because the standard appears to be not to have spaces between initials in the credits. | | | Stuart |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | I some times find it hard to see the space between initials. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Gadgeteer: Quote: I recently voted No on a contribution that I believed was making improper use of the "Credited As" field and I would like to know if you think I was right or not.
eg. Credits show actor name: J.C. Cunningham
In a discussion a while ago on the IVS forums, the consensus was that this should be parsed as J./C./Cunningham
The contribution I voted No on correctly parsed as above but also included Credited As "J.C. Cunningham" because there are no spaces between initials in the credits. I think that this is unnecessary and adds redundant data. Especially because the standard appears to be not to have spaces between initials in the credits. If there really is no space between, and that is sometimes hard as hell to tell, and that is the only difference, then far as I'm concerned, it's an abuse of the 'common name' thing. | | | John
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| | Kevin | Registered March 22, 2001 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 609 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 519 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kevin: Quote: <Sigh> Very helpful. Would you like to elaborate? | | | Stuart |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | I have to admit I used "credited as" in a similar way on the Buffy boxsets, as often intials would be put together with no stops (ie. "J. C." would be displayed as "JC"). I don't know if this is a similar situation or not. |
| | Kevin | Registered March 22, 2001 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 609 |
| Posted: | | | | Stuart, my sigh was for the realization that this thread is just going to be another in a long line of arguments about "common names" and "credited as" situations that come up.
Until Ken rolls out his ideas about it, we are under no obligation to use the stuff, at least that's the way i interpret it.
Personally - and I mean personally darn it! - I think there's just too much attention being made to the whole name thingy. It's taking the fun out of the program for me.
"Credited as" -- "name parsing" -- "middle names" -- "common names"... it gives me a headache, and I don't get headaches reading about quantum physics!! That's how hard people are making this.
But before anyone asks, I have no answers. |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,738 |
| Posted: | | | | If we insist on deviating from "as credited" with a set of parsing rules like the decision that we enter both J.C. Cunningham and J. C. Cunningham the same way in DVD Profiler, then I feel it's perfectly appropriate to use the "credited as" feature to show that the name appears in different formats in various film credits. DVD Profiler shows J./C./Cunningham as J. C. Cunningham, so if that's in the credits, there's no need to do anything. But if he's credited as J.C. Cunningham without the space between the initials, I'd like to show that in DVD Profiler by using the "credited as" field. This may seem like a trivial thing to some of you, but to me it's part of "as credited". If I do it this way, my cast list in DVD Profiler stays an exact replica of what I see on screen. If he's credited as J.C. Cunninham without the space, then he also appears as such in my cast list. The use of "credited as" makes sure that I don't end up with double entries for the same guy.
While this may seem trivial, it's just about transferring what we see on screen into DVD Profiler. Imagine this wasn't about actor names, but about role names. For example, if an actor is credited with playing the role of J.C., then I enter that as J.C. - but if he's credited with playing J. C., then that's what I enter. Seems logical: "as credited", right? So if I do that for role names, then why not for actor names?
Another example: this is just about a space, but how about commas? Another forum consensus is that prefixes are always preceded by a comma. So we've all decided that it's Robert Downey, Jr." instead of "Robert Downey Jr.". But what happens when he's credited as the latter, without the comma (for instance in 'Wonder Boys')? I use "credited as". I wonder if the users that want to disregard the spacing thing also want to disregard this? Again: I just want my cast list to reflect what's on screen - "credited as" seems like an appropriate way to handle these things. It doesn't "hurt" anybody: I do use the formatting standards that we've agreed on, but I just want to have my cast list in DVD Profiler reflect it when the actual credits show it in a (even slightly) other way. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Kevin | Registered March 22, 2001 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 609 |
| Posted: | | | | One problem I have is that this whole "spacing issue" is based on (mostly) the credits of a film. But not the actual credits, per se, but the way the certain font is utilized.
We need to have a global, working consensus/rule that can be applied, or the whole thing is going to remain a mess. And the arguing - sorry, discussions - will continue. |
| | T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,738 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kevin: Quote: One problem I have is that this whole "spacing issue" is based on (mostly) the credits of a film. But not the actual credits, per se, but the way the certain font is utilized. That I agree with. But that problem goes further than just spaces or comma's - that also often results in problems with accents or capitals. Even then (for example), Penélope Cruz credited as Penelope Cruz seems like an appropriate use of "credited as" to me. To me, these are all fine examples of what the "credited as" field is a great solution for. How many of you have separate entries in your database for both a Robert Downey, Jr. and a Robert Downey Jr., both a Penélope Cruz and a Penelope Cruz, both a J.C. Cunningham and a J. C. Cunningham? While I agree that there are bound to be lots of problems with "credited as", it does also have a lot of merits. I don't understand why some of us want to cast these aside by saying: "adds redundant data". Again, I try to achieve an exact replica of the on-screen credit in DVD Profiler, while at the same time using the standards that we've agreed on. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Kevin | Registered March 22, 2001 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 609 |
| Posted: | | | | Agreed sir, that something must be done. I guess I would like to wait until we see what ken has up his sleeve. And I hope it's not a rabbit. I am not good with database design or implementation, I leave that to others. But there has to be a logical, intelligent solution to this credit problem. To be sarcastic for a minute, we could clear up the credit problem in one fell swoop: make the credits part of "Personalization." That way people can have it any way they want (even the dreaded "third party that shall not be named") and it would not affect the program and its online features at all. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 951 |
| Posted: | | | | Well what Ken has up his sleeve is slightly diffrent than this topic. This has to do with should we be using the credited as feature to make the credited cast list look closely as possible to what is actually seen on the screen.
So actor J. / C. / Cunningham is shown on the credits as J.C. Cunningham without the space between the J. and C.
Because of the way the program works if you don't use the credited as feature, it will appear in DVD profiler as J. C. Cunningham instead of J.C. Cunningham.
I'm still running into profiles from the old 2.X days where contributors put in J.C. in the first name field to make it look like what was in the credits. | | | Are you local? This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 291 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kevin: Quote: <Sigh> and i'll raise you two <sigh>s... | | | "Vampirism is still not a disease, Julia. Vampires are the living dead...dead...dead..." |
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