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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 465 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
He may be in the credits, the credit may be mixed in between the cast credits, but it is still not a cast credit but a crew credit. For crew credits we do not list stunt people. Therefore we do no list this credit. Simple as that. Exactly ! Btw, once again the people constantly blabbering about a lack of "common sense" amongst users show that they have absolutely none themselves. I don't give a rat's ass where a stunt coordinator is listed. He does not belong to th cast and thus does not belong in the profile, either. | | | | Michael | | | | Last edited: by TigiHof |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just love the way some people want o make up their own Rules as they go along!  | | | | Hal |
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  | Berak | | Bibamus morieundum est! |
| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
He is listed within what DVD Profiler defines as "the ending credits".
How many times are we going to re-visit this question?
Since he is mixed in with the rest of the cast credits, the producers wanted him credited as part of the cast. And we are to copy the credits exactly as they appear in the ending credits according to the Rules. Dropping someone out of the credits is not coptying the credits exactly! Well put hal. The rules leave no room for interpretation in this matter IMO. He should be added to the DB....  | | | Berak
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Q.1 Crew credited with cast - include or not?
A.1 I say yes, include as Crew if credited as either Director, Writer, Producer, Cinematography, Film editor, Music, Sound or Art.
Q.2 A Stunt Coordinator should be listed as crew?
A.2 No, DVDP3 lacks a "Stunt Coordinator" entry in the Crew section.
Q.3 A Stunt Coordinator should be listed as cast if listed together with the Cast in film credits?
A.3 Depends, in my view. If the Stunt Coordinator also performs as stunt actor, then you could include as Cast, id est "the actors in a play". | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,916 |
| | Posted: | | | | Once the contribution is accepted with the currently missing cast member, I'll resubmit another to add the missing crew member in the cast and let Geri decide. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Q.3 A Stunt Coordinator should be listed as cast if listed together with the Cast in film credits?
A.3 Depends, in my view. If the Stunt Coordinator also performs as stunt actor, then you could include as Cast, id est "the actors in a play". Not to be rude, but your "view" is irrelevant. This is already addressed in the Rules. Copy the cast list exactly. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TigiHof: Quote:
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He may be in the credits, the credit may be mixed in between the cast credits, but it is still not a cast credit but a crew credit. For crew credits we do not list stunt people. Therefore we do no list this credit. Simple as that.
Exactly !
Btw, once again the people constantly blabbering about a lack of "common sense" amongst users show that they have absolutely none themselves.
I don't give a rat's ass where a stunt coordinator is listed. He does not belong to th cast and thus does not belong in the profile, either. When did you become a Producer and when did you buy the rights to that movie? Because that's the only way you have the right to say that guy should not be included in the cast. | | | John
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 | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Copy the cast list exactly. That's one way of looking at it. The other way is: "Copy the cast list exactly." A stunt coordinator isn't part of the "cast", so one could easily argue, based on the same quote from the rules, that he shouldn't be included. It just depends which part you emphasize... I'd say that technically, the rules allow you to go either way. And I certainly know which way I've chosen for my local database. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
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If its listed in the CAST list, then its a cast credit, regardless of what you think it should be.
No, a cast credit is a credit for a member of the cast and a crew credit is a credit for a crew member regardless in what list they appear. Rho: I just love people who think they are smarter than the data. If he is listed with the cast then he is part of out list. Very simple. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
If he is listed with the cast then he is part of out list. Very simple. Not everyone who is listed with the crew is part of our crew list though. | | | | -- Enry |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,667 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
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If he is listed with the cast then he is part of out list. Very simple.
Not everyone who is listed with the crew is part of our crew list though. To go even further: I've seen many profiles that even credit a group of people that aren't credited as part of the cast list, but appear later on in the end credits - among the crew, so to speak. Usually groups of "additional voices" or "dancers" or something similar. Again, these are not listed with the rest of the cast, but amongst the crew credits. Still, they're often entered, because people perceive them as being part of the cast. If we can recognize cast credits among the crew, then we should also be able to recognize crew credits among the cast. This is a clear crew credit (one that we don't even enter in our crew section), and as such, it does not belong under cast. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
To go even further: I've seen many profiles that even credit a group of people that aren't credited as part of the cast list, but appear later on in the end credits - among the crew, so to speak. Usually groups of "additional voices" or "dancers" or something similar. Again, these are not listed with the rest of the cast, but amongst the crew credits. Still, they're often entered, because people perceive them as being part of the "cast", not the "crew". If we do that, we should also be able ro recognize a "crew" credit among the "cast". I still feel that "stunt coordinator" is a "crew" credit (one that we don't even enter in our crew section), so it does not belong under "cast". Valid point! |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 |  Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I just love the way some people want o make up their own Rules as they go along! Now, who was it who said in another thread to capitalize words longer than 4 characters ? I just love the way some pots are calling the kettles black. (PS: I am glad I have no US locality DVDs !!!). | | | | Last edited: by hevanw |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
When did you become a Producer and when did you buy the rights to that movie? Because that's the only way you have the right to say that guy should not be included in the cast. So, why do we consider a Screenwriter to be a "Writer" (to show that the guy wrote the original material, not an adaptation), even if film credits say "Screenplay"? When did we buy the rights to the movie?  | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | BTW, are you guys sure that that particular guy is not actually in the movie playing a role as "Stunt Coordinator" ?  ;) Anyway, in a sense you could see this as an error in the end credits. And I guess we're supposed to copy all errors from credits, covers, etc... Edit: in fact, we do not accept errors in credits. That's why we have the Credited As option. | | | | Last edited: by hevanw |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Repter: In either case you are correct. The problem that we have is that users do not want to accept what they see on screen and some even think they know more than those that made the film. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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