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Congo (Puppeteers) Include them?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
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In the end credits of Congo, right after the entry for Gorillas, there is a heading "Puppeteers" and then 23 names listed.

None of these are in the current profile.

After them there is a space and then Stunt Coordinator.

The rules states: If puppeteers are included in the end credits include them and append (puppeteer) at the end of the role.

I just want to confirm if it's right to include them in the cast.

And would they be entered as:

Divider = Puppeteers ( as it appears in end credits)
Person's name as (Puppeteer)

It's just a collection of names, so I assume (Puppeteer) is correct as per rules.
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I don't have Congo, but from your description it sounds like they should be added.

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Seems like you already know the answer.
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Spot on... 
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And would they be entered as:

Divider = Puppeteers ( as it appears in end credits)
Person's name as (Puppeteer)

It's just a collection of names, so I assume (Puppeteer) is correct as per rules.

No need for a divider! Dividers serve different purposes than group roles.
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I disagree the Puppeteer Divider for this film would be absolutely appropriate as you describe it.

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No need for a divider! Dividers serve different purposes than group roles.


Totally agree with you. No need for dividers. The dividers were made to separate the cast/crew for different movies / episodes.

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No need for a divider! Dividers serve different purposes than group roles.


Totally agree with you. No need for dividers. The dividers were made to separate the cast/crew for different movies / episodes.

Says who? From the program: "Use these to divide the listing (by episode for instance).". And one of the meanings of "to divide" is "to separate into parts, groups, sections, etc.". Also note "for instance" which means it's allowed to use the divide function for various reasons.
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No need for a divider! Dividers serve different purposes than group roles.


Totally agree with you. No need for dividers. The dividers were made to separate the cast/crew for different movies / episodes.

Says who? From the program: "Use these to divide the listing (by episode for instance).". And one of the meanings of "to divide" is "to separate into parts, groups, sections, etc.". Also note "for instance" which means it's allowed to use the divide function for various reasons.


Much as I hate to disagree with the program, the rules don't say that.  The only place dividers are mentioned is in the TV Series portion of the rules.  That tells me they were designed for use in TV Series and not regular films.  Your mileage will, of course, vary.
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Much as I hate to disagree with the program, the rules don't say that.  The only place dividers are mentioned is in the TV Series portion of the rules.  That tells me they were designed for use in TV Series and not regular films.  Your mileage will, of course, vary.

Ehum, from the rules: "Do not include artificial actor entries to act as separators between cast lists. (e.g. "--JAPANESE CAST--"), instead use the Divider feature for this."
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Much as I hate to disagree with the program, the rules don't say that.  The only place dividers are mentioned is in the TV Series portion of the rules.  That tells me they were designed for use in TV Series and not regular films.  Your mileage will, of course, vary.

Ehum, from the rules: "Do not include artificial actor entries to act as separators between cast lists. (e.g. "--JAPANESE CAST--"), instead use the Divider feature for this."


Ah, nice find.  I did miss that...but it doesn't help your case.  It says to use them as separators between cast lists...it even gives an example.  Pupeteers are part of the same cast list, they are just under a group heading. 
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Ah, nice find.  I did miss that...but it doesn't help your case.  It says to use them as separators between cast lists...it even gives an example.  Pupeteers are part of the same cast list, they are just under a group heading. 

I know, but it does not mean the Divider feature may not be used for other purposses.
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I know, but it does not mean the Divider feature may not be used for other purposses.

Yes, there are other purposes for dividers. I would agree that dividers are not limited for episode handling. They are often used for animated films which have voice credits for different languages. I'm sure there are other cases where dividers are appropriate for dividing different lists. But they are not appropriate for group roles.
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I know, but it does not mean the Divider feature may not be used for other purposses.

Yes, there are other purposes for dividers. I would agree that dividers are not limited for episode handling. They are often used for animated films which have voice credits for different languages. I'm sure there are other cases where dividers are appropriate for dividing different lists. But they are not appropriate for group roles.

I'm not sure I agree that dividers are not appropropriate for group roles.  The credits frequently use a header for group roles - and a divider looks very much like a header.  The only caveat I would use is that the individual should show a role, too, so for those of us who look up people to see what films they are in (and what parts they played).
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Fully agree with Ken on this one.

Moreover, dividers also come in handy for discs with more than one feature on one side of a disc and for collections of shorts.
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