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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is a subject that has had me on the fence for a long time.
I recently decided to go with the disc level profiling for TV shows - to keep the cast and crew more managable and also so I can see extras specific to each disc.
As for the parent - I keep it blank.
The ONLY point I get lazy is that I refuse to add the information to the parent profile as well as the child - to me that's duplicating work. So I only add to the children and leave others to do the parent (usually users who don't use child profiles). |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm with you, Neill. Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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Cmae:
The fact that some have been don ethat way, indicates that some users have violated the Rules and gotten away with it. It also means that thoe thitels have to be coirrected. As I have noted many times, if you enter each side independently you are creating ":fictitious discs".
Skip
This is not a valid argument. First, you create a 'fictitious disc' any time you create a parent/child profile. Second, as I just pointed out in my post above, the rules for Box Sets tell us that we are to "Create individual profiles for each movie..." To do anything else would be a violation of those rules.
The rule you cmaeditor quoted is specific to the 'Disc ID' field. It has nothing to do with creating child profiles for sets with a different feature on each side of a single disc. You perhaps are using a different definition than i am. You have ONE Double-Sided Disc in your hand. Creating TWO separate profiles adds TWO discs, when you are only holding ONE. You have ONE physical item NOT two. This is the kind of thing I talk about, Unicus, when I say you don't understand what I am saying. To call my point invalid, based upon your definition is insulting and a few other things I could think of. It does demonstrate to me that you believe it to be invalid, because you don't understand, but that's fine. So we have TV Rules that say one thing and movie that say something else, and in my estimation the movie side is clearly in error, because it invents non-existent discs. This i also the type of inconsistency that I tried very hard to avoid but.... Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
The ONLY point I get lazy is that I refuse to add the information to the parent profile as well as the child - to me that's duplicating work. So I only add to the children and leave others to do the parent (usually users who don't use child profiles). I only strongly object to the missing DiscID information in the parent profile. As I say above, it's possible to merge the Cast/Crew data from child profiles into the parent profile with Tom Gaines' program. But there's no way to get the DiskID into the parent from the children. It would be VERY helpful if you contributed those data as well. Some of us like to maintain data about TV series in our wish list - so we don't have the disks available to get the DiskID data. I'd be willing to do the scanning myself (to make the profiles follow the rules) but if I don't have the discs I cannot. [And this comes from someone of whom it's been said that if you look up lazy in the dictionary you'd see my picture.  ] | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken: Actually I think if you look up lazy in the dictionary you will see a group picture...of all of us. Say cheese!!!!! Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | TV:
I create a profile for each disc in a series or set (some UK). One of these days I'll go back and complete the profiles for earlier profiles in my db.
If profiles exist for a TV series or set, it is very little trouble to convert one to the other.
The only aggravation is when they have an error, but that's just one of penalties for being human.
Some people want one or the other, so since it doesn't take much to convert one to the other,
I have submitted both with a note to the effect, delete what you don't want.
I'm just happy somebody went to the trouble to create a cast or crew list.
In fact you can change one to the other faster than it takes to read this bitch session. It's obvious some people are just plain lazy and want somebody else to do the work for them.
Somebody complained it was hard to find the child profiles, I haven't had any trouble. Again it just takes a little effort, less than it took to compose this entry.
Multiply movies on the same disc.
I can see why some would like a profile for each movie. I haven't made up my mind what I'm going to do in my db, but if it is against the rules just don't contribute it.
It seems pretty simple to me, but I made a good living simplifying someone else's logic.. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln | | | | Last edited: by Srehtims |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
You perhaps are using a different definition than i am. You have ONE Double-Sided Disc in your hand. Creating TWO separate profiles adds TWO discs, when you are only holding ONE. You have ONE physical item NOT two. This is what you wrote: "As I have noted many times, if you enter each side independently you are creating ":fictitious discs"." You said 'fictitious discs'. When you have a box set with 3 discs inside, you create 4 profiles. 1 parent profile and 3 child profiles. As there are only 3 discs in the set, you have created a 'ficticious disc' for the parent. Whether or not you have one physical item is besides the point and does not change the rule one bit. Quote:
This is the kind of thing I talk about, Unicus, when I say you don't understand what I am saying. To call my point invalid, based upon your definition is insulting and a few other things I could think of. It does demonstrate to me that you believe it to be invalid, because you don't understand, but that's fine. So we have TV Rules that say one thing and movie that say something else, and in my estimation the movie side is clearly in error, because it invents non-existent discs. This i also the type of inconsistency that I tried very hard to avoid but.... Your belief that it is in error is also besides the point. The rules are the rules and we are supposed to follow them. In addition, as I said before, we invent non-existent discs every single time we create a parent profile for box sets. Because we are doing this for box sets, the 'ficticious disc' argument is a non-issue...unless you are suggesting that we stop creating parent profiles.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
You said 'fictitious discs'. When you have a box set with 3 discs inside, you create 4 profiles. 1 parent profile and 3 child profiles. As there are only 3 discs in the set, you have created a 'ficticious disc' for the parent. Whether or not you have one physical item is besides the point and does not change the rule one bit.
Your belief that it is in error is also besides the point. The rules are the rules and we are supposed to follow them. In addition, as I said before, we invent non-existent discs every single time we create a parent profile for box sets. Because we are doing this for box sets, the 'ficticious disc' argument is a non-issue...unless you are suggesting that we stop creating parent profiles. Ummmmm...actually your are not creating "fictitious discs" when your create the parent profile, you are creating a "profile" for the parent using it's UPC. You are not supposed to put disc ID's in the parent profile for movie Box Sets, so you really aren't creating any discs...just a profile. The fact is that the Rules clearly call for the creation of separate profiles for releases that have separate movies on each side of a dual sided disc. This only creates "fictious discs" if you do not enter the disc IDs correctly. When you create thes profiles, you need to just make sure that you enter the disc ID for side A in the Side A position and the disc ID for Side B in the Side B position. Even if you put a dual sided disc into a single profile, you still enter both disc IDs. The problem is that some folks are equating profiles with discs. They are not equal! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Ummmmm...actually your are not creating "fictitious discs" when your create the parent profile, you are creating a "profile" for the parent using it's UPC. You are not supposed to put disc ID's in the parent profile for movie Box Sets, so you really aren't creating any discs...just a profile.
The fact is that the Rules clearly call for the creation of separate profiles for releases that have separate movies on each side of a dual sided disc. This only creates "fictious discs" if you do not enter the disc IDs correctly. When you create thes profiles, you need to just make sure that you enter the disc ID for side A in the Side A position and the disc ID for Side B in the Side B position.
Even if you put a dual sided disc into a single profile, you still enter both disc IDs.
The problem is that some folks are equating profiles with discs. They are not equal! You will get no argument from me on this point. I was simply using the terminology that Skip did. As I remember, the last time this came up, he used that term because the program counts each profile as a DVD under the 'Total DVDs' header. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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