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Actor/Actress birth year lock [Solved]
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantxyrano
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I find myself declining profile updates if it removes the birth year of one of the cast members 

I would like a lock on "Birth Year", please 
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Removal of a BY in a profile update does NOT affect your local profile. Therefore locks on BY are not necessary.
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I see, thanks 8BallMax.

I guess I should have asked in the Tech forum on this one!
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Removal of a BY in a profile update does NOT affect your local profile. Therefore locks on BY are not necessary.


I actually wish it did since I have a number of unwanted BYs and when these changes come down then I would like it to clear away these BYs since they are obviously not in the main database (else they would have come down).
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pauls42

It is possible you picked these up like a lot of us when the initial headsot profiles where created. The only thing I can suggest is going through your local DB and removing the ones you don't want, once removed they should not re-propergate unless in the main DB.

Goodguy's excel plugin (I think that's the one?) may help you find any BY rather than scan every actor profile.

But yes they where as pest to start with until the implication that documentation was required to justify inclusion into the main DB.

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It is possible you picked these up like a lot of us when the initial headsot profiles where created. The only thing I can suggest is going through your local DB and removing the ones you don't want, once removed they should not re-propergate unless in the main DB.



every time now that I download a profile which shows an existing actor has a BY when the change doesn't I stop and delete the BY for the actors. I know I should make an effort and go through them all.. But I can't face it at the moment..
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If the profile downloads with an actor with a BY, it's safe to leave those there.  Those are good and valid BY's.
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If the profile downloads with an actor with a BY, it's safe to leave those there.  Those are good and valid BY's.


Doc,

  It's correct for that profile, yes, but unfortunately it changes the actor record in your local database, so that ALL of the DVDs that actor name appears on get changed.  Since the BY is there for a good reason, there's a decent chance it's altered at least one DVD incorrectly by changing all of yours.  When you download a profile with a BY for an actor that you didn't have before, it's best to go check all of the profiles associated with that actor name and ensure that it really IS that actor.  At least that's been my experience...
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I really don't understand the problem with the BY that people seem to be seeing. If you have 1 actor named John Doe in your database and he's in 10 profiles, they will all link to each other, and people don't seem to have an issue or problem with that. But if you download a new profile, or even an existing one that John Doe has a birthyear, guess what? They will all still link together. As all your John Doe profiles that had 0 as a birthyear will now have a real life birthyear. If the name is exactly the same, nothing will change, if you didn't check to see if John Doe without a birthyear was correctly linked to all the other John Does without a birthyear, why do you now have to check to see if all the birthyears are correct for each profile? If there was 2 different John Doe's the only way to separate them out is to use birthyears anyway. As long as the birthyear is correct for that person, it's good data, no harm will come of it.
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Not quite so in practice.  There are two Harrison Ford's in the cast database, one with a BY and one without.  They are not linked together.
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Actually there are 3 Harrison Ford's, one with a BY of 1890, 1942 and one with zero. So that's a situation that needs to be corrected for a different reason.
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I want to have BY for every person. When a birth year is known, it should use in the invelos db.

I don't like the actual rule, with only add birth year, when different persons have the same name. For me the BY is an important and helpful information, now we have the field and we should use it how much as possible.
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I really don't understand the problem with the BY that people seem to be seeing. If you have 1 actor named John Doe in your database and he's in 10 profiles, they will all link to each other, and people don't seem to have an issue or problem with that. But if you download a new profile, or even an existing one that John Doe has a birthyear, guess what? They will all still link together. As all your John Doe profiles that had 0 as a birthyear will now have a real life birthyear. If the name is exactly the same, nothing will change, if you didn't check to see if John Doe without a birthyear was correctly linked to all the other John Does without a birthyear, why do you now have to check to see if all the birthyears are correct for each profile? If there was 2 different John Doe's the only way to separate them out is to use birthyears anyway. As long as the birthyear is correct for that person, it's good data, no harm will come of it.


Not quite. Say I have Harrison Ford (1890), Harrison Ford (blank). I download a profile with Harrison Ford (1890) - all the ones with blank are changed to 1890.

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I want to have BY for every person. When a birth year is known, it should use in the invelos db.

I don't like the actual rule, with only add birth year, when different persons have the same name. For me the BY is an important and helpful information, now we have the field and we should use it how much as possible.


if every single actor simultaneously had a BY and every single profile in everybodies desktop database was changed at the same time then there is no problem.

But that doesn't happen - its the piece meal approach which screws up everybodies database. So no, you can only contribute BY if its to stop two different actors getting confused. (and you provide all the documentation etc.)
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Not quite. Say I have Harrison Ford (1890), Harrison Ford (blank). I download a profile with Harrison Ford (1890) - all the ones with blank are changed to 1890.



Like I said before, Harrison Ford (because there are 3 of them, not because of Harrison Ford per se) is a different situtation.

You are thinking a blank BY as a separate person. DVDp is looking at a blank BY as simply missing data and will try to correct it the first chance it gets.
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I would like a list, somewhere on the site, of which birth years have already been accepted into the database. If that could somehow incorporate a way to view the documentation users have submitted for these birth years, that would be great, but for now, I'd already be very happy with a simple "name + birth year" list.
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