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 | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Since we are getting close to having a new beta, I would like to request, yet again, that genres be changed so that it is a private field.
I would also like to have "Foreign Language" as a choice in the genre list. | | | | Dan |
| | Registered: May 1, 2008 |  Posts: 503 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
Since we are getting close to having a new beta, I would like to request, yet again, that genres be changed so that it is a private field.
I would also like to have "Foreign Language" as a choice in the genre list. Here, here Dan.  This is an excellent suggestion as I have may Italian Giallo films that are currently classified under suspense/thriller and or horror, and I would like to separate these from the regular thriller's e.g. Hitchcock works, Soylent Green etc, etc. | | | DVD
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LastFM |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I understand where you are coming from, Dan, but I think some form Genre data is valuable to the Online. As to private Genre, as you know we can list as many Genre as we wish within the Tag system, they are fully searchable and hierarchial, so it seems to me that this fills bill quite nicely...capturing the best of both worlds if you will.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I understand where you are coming from, Dan, but I think some form Genre data is valuable to the Online. As to private Genre, as you know we can list as many Genre as we wish within the Tag system, they are fully searchable and hierarchial, so it seems to me that this fills bill quite nicely...capturing the best of both worlds if you will.
Skip I don't understand your statement "I think some form Genre data is valuable to the Online". How so? Genre is not a search option when adding DVDs to your collection via the program in the Add DVDs window. You can add by UPC, Title or Inserted Disc. There is no genre option in add by Upcoming Releases. Your online collection can't even be sorted by genre. So where is Genre data valuable to the online? The only times genre ever comes into play is during the initial contribution process and when someone wishes to add or remove a genre in a profile update. I see no reason why genre can't be changed to a local only field as Dan suggests. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm with Skip on this. What's wrong with using tags?
KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
Dolly's not alone. You can also clone profiles.
You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin. |
| | Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Genre is not a search option when adding DVDs to your collection via the program in the Add DVDs window Actually you can filter by genre in the Add by Title tab. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | If genre was an local only feature, I would not use it at all. Therefore I'd like it to stay an online feature. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Quoting 8ballMax:
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Genre is not a search option when adding DVDs to your collection via the program in the Add DVDs window
Actually you can filter by genre in the Add by Title tab. Color me red. Been using this program for years and never saw that there  . | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Dan W | | Registered: May 9, 2002 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 980 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip, Thanks for always being handy with, and incessantly repeating, a gimmicky work-around. The problem is, your work-around isn't the same as having this added as a genre, now, is it? Give me some credit for having a modicum of intelligence! If I felt this work-around was sufficient, I would not have made the request. Ken, Your reply leaves me with the impression that you are siding with Skip on this one. Here are my arguments for these changes. 1) If we must have a "public" genre field, please limit it to one entry and make the remaining choices local only. This will give us less to change/correct/delete/ with each profile. This field is very subjective. 2) Both, the Academy (Oscar) and the Hollywood Foreign Press (Golden Globe) list "Foreign Language" as a separate category and give an award for the best in this category. They both list "Foreign Language" as one of their most important awards yet you do not recognize it, at all, in your program. Proof: Golden Globe: 2008 winner's list. Oscar: 2008 winner's list. | | | | Dan | | | | Last edited: by Dan W |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
2) Both, the Academy (Oscar) and the Hollywood Foreign Press (Golden Globe) list "Foreign Language" as a separate category and give an award for the best in this category. They both list "Foreign Language" as one of their most important awards yet you do not recognize it, at all, in your program. What does this have to do with genre? Also, the term "foreign language" can't be universally applied. What is a foreign language film to one person won't be to another. And before you say it will depend on the locality of the release, there are countries which officially speak more than one language, yet not everyone in the country speaks that language. Meaning, is a French language movie a "Foreign Language" movie in Canada? Technically, I suppose it isn't, since French is an official language here. But I don't speak French, and wouldn't definitely consider French a foreign language. The same exact situation is bound to apply to lots of other bilingual nations as well. So I definitely don't think "foreign language" should become a genre hard-coded within the program. I have no problems with the suggestions of having user defined genres in addition to the existing genres however, and my above argument coupled with your and other's desire for a "Foreign Language" genre is perhaps a good reason to implement this feature. Although I still don't see why you can't just use tags.  KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
Dolly's not alone. You can also clone profiles.
You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin. | | | | Last edited: by Astrakan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
1) If we must have a "public" genre field, please limit it to one entry and make the remaining choices local only. This will give us less to change/correct/delete/ with each profile. This field is very subjective.
2) Both, the Academy (Oscar) and the Hollywood Foreign Press (Golden Globe) list "Foreign Language" as a separate category and give an award for the best in this category. They both list "Foreign Language" as one of their most important awards yet you do not recognize it, at all, in your program.
Proof:
Golden Globe: 2008 winner's list.
Oscar: 2008 winner's list. The problem with foreign language as a genre is that genre's are very subjective - and how would you define foreign language? As far as I remember, foreign language used to be a genre and it was removed because of the difficulty of deciding when something was foreign language. For instance would a french film be foreign language? Yes - if you were looking at it from a US centric point of view - No - if you were French. And what about the DVD if imported from France to the US? The same DVD would be considered differently depending who entered the details first - a US purchaser or a French Purchaser. I agree that its used in the Oscars - a American institution looking at films - but dvd profiler isn't just American. | | | | Paul |
|  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,739 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
Both, the Academy (Oscar) and the Hollywood Foreign Press (Golden Globe) list "Foreign Language" as a separate category and give an award for the best in this category. They both list "Foreign Language" as one of their most important awards yet you do not recognize it, at all, in your program. That may be because DVD Profiler is an "international" program. We used to have a "foreign" genre, and Ken made a conscious decision to remove it, and quite rightly so, IMHO. I'll give you a practical example: I'm Dutch, and I own the U.S. region 1 DVD 'Everybody's Famous'. The film is entirely in Dutch (with English subtitles, of course), so you'd probably want to tag it as "foreign language". For me, on the other hand, that would be ridiculous, since it's in my native language. There's the whole "foreign language" problem in a nutshell: one user's "foreign" is another user's "native". Similarly, I could tag each and every Hollywood-movie as "foreign language", just because they're in English which isn't my native tongue. Obviously I wouldn't, but from experience I can pretty much garantuee that someone will...  Anyway - I believe that's why Ken removed "foreign" as a genre. As for the rest: it's true that genres will always be tricky issue, because everyone has their own take on it. Making it local would solve that, but I do see some merit in having genres attached to the online profiles. So I'm not really sure. If it were up to me, I'd like to see "classic" removed (as it's purely subjective: one man's classic is another man's pulp), and add "crime" and "mystery". But hey - that's just me. [Edit]: I see that pauls42 beat me to it... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 1,380 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Quoting 8ballMax:
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Genre is not a search option when adding DVDs to your collection via the program in the Add DVDs window
Actually you can filter by genre in the Add by Title tab. Which is a feature i've used many times. But it doesnt let me filter by 2 genres (so that both would have to be present in a movie)  | | | | Last edited: by whispering |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,747 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
2) Both, the Academy (Oscar) and the Hollywood Foreign Press (Golden Globe) list "Foreign Language" as a separate category and give an award for the best in this category. They both list "Foreign Language" as one of their most important awards yet you do not recognize it, at all, in your program.
Proof:
Golden Globe: 2008 winner's list.
Oscar: 2008 winner's list. But what has this to do with "genre"? There isn't a Sci-Fi oscar or a Comedy oscar. | | | Karsten
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dan W: Quote:
Skip,
Thanks for always being handy with, and incessantly repeating, a gimmicky work-around. The problem is, your work-around isn't the same as having this added as a genre, now, is it? Give me some credit for having a modicum of intelligence! If I felt this work-around was sufficient, I would not have made the request.
Ken,
Your reply leaves me with the impression that you are siding with Skip on this one.
Here are my arguments for these changes.
1) If we must have a "public" genre field, please limit it to one entry and make the remaining choices local only. This will give us less to change/correct/delete/ with each profile. This field is very subjective.
2) Both, the Academy (Oscar) and the Hollywood Foreign Press (Golden Globe) list "Foreign Language" as a separate category and give an award for the best in this category. They both list "Foreign Language" as one of their most important awards yet you do not recognize it, at all, in your program.
Proof:
Golden Globe: 2008 winner's list.
Oscar: 2008 winner's list. Good grief, dan What's with you. I made no comment relative to your specific Genre of Foreign Language. I certainly don't deserve to get my head bit off. I don't happen to consider Tags to be a gimmicky work around, they were designed for a reason and they are fully searchable and hierarchial. I will make no comment on you most recent suggestion, other than to say I did not appreciate the tone you directed at Ken, as I have no opinion or thoughts. I merely stated that I don't believe Genre should be entirely private. I believe Genre does bring value to the Online, up to a point, I also believe that if we had 12 Genre fields it would be way too silly around here in that regard (not to mention arguments would abound over how to fill the 12 fields). I also would say that IF we were to go to ONE field, it would necessitate a drastic reduction of the current list to BASICS maybe no more than a half-dozen, again to cut down on arguments and ping-ponging...it's a drama...no, it;s a romance...no it's a comedy  Then everything else could be local, if that is what Ken wants to do. Sheeeeesh Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have to agree with everyboy else.
First, the fact that two American award shows have a 'foreign language' catagory doesn't make it a genre.
Second, how do you decide? As an example, my mother speaks fluent spanish and I do not. While I might consider a spanish language film to fit into your genre, she wouldn't. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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