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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm trying to establish the common name for special effects make-up artist Thomas/Tom (R.) Burman. The raw CLT numbers for the two most common name variants are awfully close together (currently 60 vs. 58 titles) and are thrown off by the CLT's inability to deal with TV child profiles. Links:
- http://www.burmanstudio.com/pages/frame.html
- http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0122207/
THOMAS R. BURMAN (30 titles, 20 confirmed):
- The Beast Within
- Body Snatchers (confirmed by ateo357)
- The Bodyguard (confirmed by Pantheon)
- The Bonfire of the Vanities (confirmed by huskersports)
- City of Angels (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
- Con Air (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
- Delirious (confirmed by T!M)
- Die Hard 2 (confirmed by T!M)
- Drowning Mona (confirmed by T!M)
- The Goonies (confirmed by T!M)
- Grand Canyon
- Hudson Hawk (confirmed by T!M)
- Invasion: The Complete Series
- Men of Honor (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete First Season
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Second Season
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Third Season
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Fourth Season
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Fifth Season
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Sixth Season
- The Prophecy (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- The Rage: Carrie 2 (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Robin Hood: Men in Tights (confirmed by SpaceFreakMicha)
- Scrooged (confirmed by T!M)
- Spacehunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone (confirmed by T!M)
- Star Kid (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Tales from the Crypt: The Complete First Season (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Tomcats
- Touched By an Angel: The Third Season (confirmed by huskersports)
- Wayne's World (confirmed by T!M)
TOM BURMAN (28 titles, 10 confirmed):
- Body Double (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Cat People (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- CSI: Crime Scene Investigation: The Complete First Season (confirmed by SpaceFreakMicha)
- Dead Again
- Firestarter 2: Rekindled (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Frogs
- Genesis II
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 1
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 2
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 3
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 4
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 5
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 6
- Halloween III: Season of the Witch (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Heaven's Gate
- Howard the Duck (confirmed by ateo357)
- Inhabited
- The Island of Dr. Moreau
- Meet the Hollowheads
- Mother Lode
- My Bloody Valentine (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Private Practice: The Complete First Season
- Private Practice: The Complete Second Season
- Private Practice: The Complete Third Season
- Teen Wolf (confirmed by T!M)
- Throw Momma from the Train (confirmed by ateo357)
- The Unseen
- The X-Files: The Complete Sixth Season (confirmed by huskersports)
THOMAS BURMAN (4 titles, 3 confirmed):
- Invasion of the Body Snatchers (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Kung Fu: The Complete First Season (confirmed by bbbbb)
- Last Action Hero (confirmed by T!M)
- Rocket Man | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Men of Honor -> Thomas R. Burman
City of Angels -> Thomas R. Burman
Con Air -> Thomas R. Burman | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Body Snatchers - Thomas R.
Throw Momma from the Train - Tom
Howard the Duck - Tom |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thomas Burman
Invasion of the Bodysnatchers (1978)
Tom Burman
Firestarter 2: Rekindled
Thomas R. Burman
The Bodyguard
The Rage: Carrie 2
Star Kid |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,774 |
| | Posted: | | | | CSI: Crime Scene Investigation: The Complete First Season (Pilot Episode): TOM & BARRY BURMAN as "Special Effects Make-Up"
Robin Hood: Men in Tights: THOMAS R. BURMAN as "Special Make-up Effects" | | | | Last edited: by SpaceFreakMicha |
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| Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,552 |
| | Posted: | | | | X-Files: Season 6 - Tom Burman
Bonfire of the Vanities: Thomas R. Burman
Touched by Angel: Season 3 - Thomas R. Burman | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Body Double = Tom
Cat People = Tom
Halloween 3 = Tom
My Bloody Valentine = Tom
Prophecy (1979) = Thomas R.
Tales from the Crypt Season 1: Episode 6 = Thomas R.
Also have custom credits in War of the Roses ("Body Doubles Created By") and The Hand ("Special Make-up Consultant"), these are split as well with War being Thomas R., The Hand being Tom. Plus I can re-confirm Body Snatchers, Con Air, Die Hard 2, Goonies, & Last Action Hero. I've audited nearly all of these myself, in fact I think I did all of them since 2009. |
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| Registered: March 2, 2011 |  Posts: 182 |
| | Posted: | | | | The Godfather: Part III : THOMAS R. BURMAN
But he's credited as Additional make-up effects, invalid I think |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
THOMAS BURMAN
- Kung Fu: The Complete First Season Kung Fu 1.01 - King of the Mountain  | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm trying to establish the common name for special effects make-up artist Thomas/Tom (R.) Burman. The raw CLT numbers for the two most common name variants are awfully close together (currently 60 vs. 58 titles) and are thrown off by the CLT's inability to deal with TV child profiles. Links:
- http://www.burmanstudio.com/pages/frame.html
- http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0122207/
THOMAS R. BURMAN (30 titles, 24 confirmed):
- The Beast Within
- Body Snatchers (confirmed by ateo357)
- The Bodyguard (confirmed by Pantheon)
- The Bonfire of the Vanities (confirmed by huskersports)
- City of Angels (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
- Con Air (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
- Delirious (confirmed by T!M)
- Die Hard 2 (confirmed by T!M)
- Drowning Mona (confirmed by T!M)
- The Goonies (confirmed by T!M)
- Grand Canyon
- Hudson Hawk (confirmed by T!M)
- Invasion: The Complete Series
- Men of Honor (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete First Season (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Second Season (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Third Season (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Fourth Season (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Fifth Season
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Sixth Season
- The Prophecy (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- The Rage: Carrie 2 (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Robin Hood: Men in Tights (confirmed by SpaceFreakMicha)
- Scrooged (confirmed by T!M)
- Spacehunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone (confirmed by T!M)
- Star Kid (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Tales from the Crypt: The Complete First Season (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Tomcats
- Touched By an Angel: The Third Season (confirmed by huskersports)
- Wayne's World (confirmed by T!M)
TOM BURMAN (28 titles, 11 confirmed):
- Body Double (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Cat People (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- CSI: Crime Scene Investigation: The Complete First Season (confirmed by SpaceFreakMicha)
- Dead Again (confirmed by Wigram)
- Firestarter 2: Rekindled (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Frogs
- Genesis II
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 1
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 2
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 3
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 4
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 5
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 6
- Halloween III: Season of the Witch (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Heaven's Gate
- Howard the Duck (confirmed by ateo357)
- Inhabited
- The Island of Dr. Moreau
- Meet the Hollowheads
- Mother Lode
- My Bloody Valentine (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Private Practice: The Complete First Season
- Private Practice: The Complete Second Season
- Private Practice: The Complete Third Season
- Teen Wolf (confirmed by T!M)
- Throw Momma from the Train (confirmed by ateo357)
- The Unseen
- The X-Files: The Complete Sixth Season (confirmed by huskersports)
THOMAS BURMAN (4 titles, 4 confirmed):
- Invasion of the Body Snatchers (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Kung Fu: The Complete First Season (confirmed by bbbbb)
- Last Action Hero (confirmed by T!M)
- Rocket Man (confirmed by ateo357)
As it stands, with no overlapping titles left, it seems Thomas R. Burman wins out: that name variant has 30 titles in the CLT, while Tom Burman has 28 titles. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: June 6, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 950 |
| | Posted: | | | | Dead Again: Tom Burman  |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Rocketman - Thomas Burman - makeup effects |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm trying to establish the common name for special effects make-up artist Thomas/Tom (R.) Burman. The raw CLT numbers for the two most common name variants are awfully close together (currently 60 vs. 58 titles) and are thrown off by the CLT's inability to deal with TV child profiles. Links:
- http://www.burmanstudio.com/pages/frame.html
- http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0122207/
THOMAS R. BURMAN (31 titles, 29 confirmed):
- The Beast Within
- Body Snatchers (confirmed by ateo357)
- The Bodyguard (confirmed by Pantheon)
- The Bonfire of the Vanities (confirmed by huskersports)
- City of Angels (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
- Con Air (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
- Delirious (confirmed by T!M)
- Die Hard 2 (confirmed by T!M)
- Drowning Mona (confirmed by T!M)
- The Goonies (confirmed by T!M)
- Grand Canyon (confirmed by T!M)
- Hudson Hawk (confirmed by T!M)
- Invasion: The Complete Series
- Men of Honor (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
- Monk: Season Two (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete First Season (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Second Season (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Third Season (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Fourth Season (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Fifth Season (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Sixth Season (confirmed by T!M)
- The Prophecy (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- The Rage: Carrie 2 (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Robin Hood: Men in Tights (confirmed by SpaceFreakMicha)
- Scrooged (confirmed by T!M)
- Spacehunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone (confirmed by T!M)
- Star Kid (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Tales from the Crypt: The Complete First Season (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Tomcats (confirmed by T!M)
- Touched By an Angel: The Third Season (confirmed by huskersports)
- Wayne's World (confirmed by T!M)
TOM BURMAN (28 titles, 14 confirmed):
- Body Double (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Cat People (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- CSI: Crime Scene Investigation: The Complete First Season (confirmed by SpaceFreakMicha)
- Dead Again (confirmed by Wigram)
- Firestarter 2: Rekindled (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Frogs (confirmed by ateo357)
- Genesis II
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 1
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 2
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 3
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 4
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 5
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 6
- Halloween III: Season of the Witch (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Heaven's Gate (confirmed by huskersports)
- Howard the Duck (confirmed by ateo357)
- Inhabited
- The Island of Dr. Moreau (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Meet the Hollowheads
- Mother Lode
- My Bloody Valentine (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Private Practice: The Complete First Season
- Private Practice: The Complete Second Season
- Private Practice: The Complete Third Season
- Teen Wolf (confirmed by T!M)
- Throw Momma from the Train (confirmed by ateo357)
- The Unseen
- The X-Files: The Complete Sixth Season (confirmed by huskersports)
THOMAS BURMAN (4 titles, 4 confirmed):
- Invasion of the Body Snatchers (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Kung Fu: The Complete First Season (confirmed by bbbbb)
- Last Action Hero (confirmed by T!M)
- Rocket Man (confirmed by ateo357)
As it stands, with no overlapping titles left, it seems Thomas R. Burman wins out: that name variant has 31 titles in the CLT, while Tom Burman has 28 titles. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| | Posted: | | | | Frogs - Tom Burman - Make Up |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | - The Beast Within
- Invasion: The Complete Series
But if these two turn out to be Thomas Burman wouldn't that make the results different?
Surely, as with other polls we need to wait until there is conclusive proof before calling a winner. I've been crucified for calling it too early in the past (which is the point I was attempting to make in my PM to you). |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Surely, as with other polls we need to wait until there is conclusive proof before calling a winner. In working with common names and the CLT, there's no "waiting". If I submit a profile with a set of cast/crew data today, then I need to have a common name today. Well, today, this man's common name for our purposes is Thomas R. Burman. As it stands, there's no indication of any ambiguity. For instance: there are no film titles left that appear under two name variants in the CLT. Also, "make-up effects" is a fairly new crew category, making the chance of heaps of old IMDb-mined data a bit smaller than usual. Of course, if we learn something new tomorrow, things may change - but that's always the case. Our common names are never set in stone, and are always liable to change at some point in the future. If we had to "wait" for all of them to be set in stone, we simply couldn't contribute any cast/crew data. Instead, we don't have to wait until they've stopped working and all their credits have hit DVD, 'cause we're always working with the situation of today. |
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