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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MoviemanTrailers: Quote:
So Invelos as spoken the aproved this Contribution:
Original Titel : The Avengers Like IMDb. We do not have an Original Title conception, so why differ. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: June 7, 2010 |  Posts: 10 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MoviemanTrailers: Quote:
Invelos has the last say in matters, whether I or other users agree or disagree
So Invelos as spoken the aproved this Contribution:
Titel : Marvel's The Avengers
Original Titel : The Avengers
So congratulations to the man on a mission huskersports
Thanks to everyone for your help. The information you provided is most helpful.
Till next Time. So everything that Invelos approves is a rule now? For example i have a release where Huskersports himself has gotten an approval to change the orignal title from "The Avengers" to "Marvel's the Avengers". EAN: 8717418327354 I still haven't seen any substantial evidence that the film was ever released as just "The Avengers", all official sources I can find refers to the movie as "Marvel's The Avengers". |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting spocker: Quote:
I still haven't seen any substantial evidence that the film was ever released as just "The Avengers", all official sources I can find refers to the movie as "Marvel's The Avengers". Every movie poster I have a copy of, every trailer I have seen, simply says "The Avengers" with the little 'Marvel' in a box above it...Marvel, not Marvel's. "Marvel's The Avengers" is how the Blu-ray/DVD releases are being marketed, the film, at least here in the states which is the CoO, was not marketed that way. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: June 5, 2007 |  Posts: 161 |
| | Posted: | | | | So everything that Invelos approves is a rule now?
So what can we do they make up this rules, granted, I'll openly admit that for some rules, I disagree with Invelos, however, I accept that their ruling is final and I will abide by that. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,311 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with you that anything in Invelos' rules must be followed whether we agree with them or not. But I definitely do not believe just because a screener approves something makes it a binding rule.
The screeners are no more then human. They make mistakes. I have seen many times where screeners let something into the database that is just plain wrong. I also seen many times where Ken and/or Gerri... when brought to their attention... reverses it or asks us to resubmit.
I also know for a fact that Ken has said if a majority of a contribution is correct they will let mistakes in that can and should be corrected later. I know that don't apply to this particular case... but definitely shows that wrong info does get in... sometimes on purpose. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | What Pete said. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MoviemanTrailers: Quote:
So everything that Invelos approves is a rule now? Invelos makes decisions per profile. If you have 100 "Yes" votes (and no "No" vote) for The Avengers, it will be appoved. If you have 100 "Yes" votes (and no "No" vote) for Marvel's The Avengers, it will be appoved. This is not about right or wrong or a reviewer's mistake, this is about how the owners want to have their profile. Basic principles - there are none. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,311 |
| | Posted: | | | | While the votes do mean some... I even remember Gerri stating such. It isn't as you say either. I know this because I have had contribution where it was all or mostly no votes and it still go through because I followed the rules (and stated the rule I was following in my notes). | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | I hate these that get side tracked and the OP gets lost with no resolution.
BD/DVD - 786936-825084
Marvel's The Avengers - DVD title and original title. (Credited block, front cover, spline, and italics in the overview). And it follows the rules for possesives
What everyone wants to call their DVD is up to them but at least get the original title right in the profile.
I know that is a challenge for some to do. Seems like some people muck it up on purpose. | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 756 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Voltaire53: Quote:
You missed out asking if it's Marvel's Avengers Assemble or Avengers Assemble in the UK...  OK, so I'm asking....... | | | | Chris |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,513 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
I hate these that get side tracked and the OP gets lost with no resolution.
BD/DVD - 786936-825084
Marvel's The Avengers - DVD title and original title. (Credited block, front cover, spline, and italics in the overview). And it follows the rules for possesives
What everyone wants to call their DVD is up to them but at least get the original title right in the profile.
I know that is a challenge for some to do. Seems like some people muck it up on purpose. I tried a contribution with "Marvel's the Avengers" for the OT and got more no votes than yes votes. I don't know why. It is in the movie, right before the main cast list scrolls by. Oh, well. So I would rather have it be "The Avengers" just so the CLT doesn't get messed up. If it read the rule right, company possessives (Marvel's...) don't count but personal possessives (like "John Carpenter's ....) do. I know the "Marvel's" isn't in the cover title because font-wise, it's not as large as "Avengers". | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! | | | | Last edited: by huskersports |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting huskersports: Quote:
Quoting ateo357:
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I hate these that get side tracked and the OP gets lost with no resolution.
BD/DVD - 786936-825084
Marvel's The Avengers - DVD title and original title. (Credited block, front cover, spline, and italics in the overview). And it follows the rules for possesives
What everyone wants to call their DVD is up to them but at least get the original title right in the profile.
I know that is a challenge for some to do. Seems like some people muck it up on purpose.
I tried a contribution with "Marvel's the Avengers" for the OT and got more no votes than yes votes. I don't know why. It is in the movie, right before the main cast list scrolls by. Oh, well. So I would rather have it be "The Avengers" just so the CLT doesn't get messed up. If it read the rule right, company possessives (Marvel's...) don't count but personal possessives (like "John Carpenter's ....) do. I know the "Marvel's" isn't in the cover title because font-wise, it's not as large as "Avengers". It is part of the cover title. Not on the slip cover but the BD/DVD cover in the credit block, in quotes "Marvel's The Avengers" clearly per the rules, Marvel's is part of the title. Found nothing in the rules about company possessives. If that were the case then National Lampoon's would not be allowed in any titles. And it is clearly the original title. I haven't found one other Marvel Entertainment release that has Marvel in the on screen title shot other than the rectangular logo. But it seems that majority rules even against the rules. And the screeners don't seem to follow the rules either. So instead of fighting the system I'll just do my personal DB (per the rules). |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,199 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
It is part of the cover title. Not on the slip cover but the BD/DVD cover in the credit block, in quotes "Marvel's The Avengers" clearly per the rules, Marvel's is part of the title. Found nothing in the rules about company possessives. If that were the case then National Lampoon's would not be allowed in any titles. And it is clearly the original title. I haven't found one other Marvel Entertainment release that has Marvel in the on screen title shot other than the rectangular logo. But it seems that majority rules even against the rules. And the screeners don't seem to follow the rules either. So instead of fighting the system I'll just do my personal DB (per the rules). This has nothing to do with majority rules. As you pointed out, the on screen title shot uses the rectangular Marvel LOGO, not the possessive that is on the case. Since it doesn't, per the rule, Marvel's The Avengers isn't the original title. I guess you could make a case for Marvel The Avengers, but that doesn't make sense to me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,513 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
Quoting huskersports:
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Quoting ateo357:
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I hate these that get side tracked and the OP gets lost with no resolution.
BD/DVD - 786936-825084
Marvel's The Avengers - DVD title and original title. (Credited block, front cover, spline, and italics in the overview). And it follows the rules for possesives
What everyone wants to call their DVD is up to them but at least get the original title right in the profile.
I know that is a challenge for some to do. Seems like some people muck it up on purpose.
I tried a contribution with "Marvel's the Avengers" for the OT and got more no votes than yes votes. I don't know why. It is in the movie, right before the main cast list scrolls by. Oh, well. So I would rather have it be "The Avengers" just so the CLT doesn't get messed up. If it read the rule right, company possessives (Marvel's...) don't count but personal possessives (like "John Carpenter's ....) do. I know the "Marvel's" isn't in the cover title because font-wise, it's not as large as "Avengers".
It is part of the cover title. Not on the slip cover but the BD/DVD cover in the credit block, in quotes "Marvel's The Avengers" clearly per the rules, Marvel's is part of the title. Found nothing in the rules about company possessives. If that were the case then National Lampoon's would not be allowed in any titles. And it is clearly the original title. I haven't found one other Marvel Entertainment release that has Marvel in the on screen title shot other than the rectangular logo. But it seems that majority rules even against the rules. And the screeners don't seem to follow the rules either. So instead of fighting the system I'll just do my personal DB (per the rules). You're correct about the possessives. I stand corrected. My apologies. It's either one title or the other credit-lookup wise, though. I got such a backlash when I tried to change the OT of the UPC you cited, that I just left it as "The Avengers". So, for example, Ben Edelberg (one of the Art Directors) is credited on 1 title and 67 profiles instead of 4 or 5 titles (same movie, mind you) and 67 profiles. | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting ateo357:
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It is part of the cover title. Not on the slip cover but the BD/DVD cover in the credit block, in quotes "Marvel's The Avengers" clearly per the rules, Marvel's is part of the title. Found nothing in the rules about company possessives. If that were the case then National Lampoon's would not be allowed in any titles. And it is clearly the original title. I haven't found one other Marvel Entertainment release that has Marvel in the on screen title shot other than the rectangular logo. But it seems that majority rules even against the rules. And the screeners don't seem to follow the rules either. So instead of fighting the system I'll just do my personal DB (per the rules).
This has nothing to do with majority rules. As you pointed out, the on screen title shot uses the rectangular Marvel LOGO, not the possessive that is on the case. Since it doesn't, per the rule, Marvel's The Avengers isn't the original title. I guess you could make a case for Marvel The Avengers, but that doesn't make sense to me. But in Marvel's The Avengers, the on-screen title shot doesn't have the rectangular red Marvel logo. It has Marvel's The Avengers. And the Rules about possessives are for Title (DVD Title) there is nothing in the Original Title section about possessives. The Original Title field serves two general purposes, but in both cases allows for the tracking of the original feature title. For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits. For titles released outside their country of origin, use the original release title. In cases where the title is the original title, leave the Original Title field blank. And the opening credit title matches the DVD title in this case because in the credit block it reads "Marvel's The Avengers" I should not have to make a case for following the rules. Tell me why "Marvel's" is not part of the original title. Use the title from the film's credits, which I did. It doesn't state anything about possessives, font size, style, run together, or color changes, that is for the DVD title, not original title. | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting huskersports: Quote:
Quoting ateo357:
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Quoting huskersports:
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Quoting ateo357:
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I hate these that get side tracked and the OP gets lost with no resolution.
BD/DVD - 786936-825084
Marvel's The Avengers - DVD title and original title. (Credited block, front cover, spline, and italics in the overview). And it follows the rules for possesives
What everyone wants to call their DVD is up to them but at least get the original title right in the profile.
I know that is a challenge for some to do. Seems like some people muck it up on purpose.
I tried a contribution with "Marvel's the Avengers" for the OT and got more no votes than yes votes. I don't know why. It is in the movie, right before the main cast list scrolls by. Oh, well. So I would rather have it be "The Avengers" just so the CLT doesn't get messed up. If it read the rule right, company possessives (Marvel's...) don't count but personal possessives (like "John Carpenter's ....) do. I know the "Marvel's" isn't in the cover title because font-wise, it's not as large as "Avengers".
It is part of the cover title. Not on the slip cover but the BD/DVD cover in the credit block, in quotes "Marvel's The Avengers" clearly per the rules, Marvel's is part of the title. Found nothing in the rules about company possessives. If that were the case then National Lampoon's would not be allowed in any titles. And it is clearly the original title. I haven't found one other Marvel Entertainment release that has Marvel in the on screen title shot other than the rectangular logo. But it seems that majority rules even against the rules. And the screeners don't seem to follow the rules either. So instead of fighting the system I'll just do my personal DB (per the rules).
You're correct about the possessives. I stand corrected. My apologies. It's either one title or the other credit-lookup wise, though. I got such a backlash when I tried to change the OT of the UPC you cited, that I just left it as "The Avengers". So, for example, Ben Edelberg (one of the Art Directors) is credited on 1 title and 67 profiles instead of 4 or 5 titles (same movie, mind you) and 67 profiles. But if it's the wrong title, it's wrong. |
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