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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | There has been some discussion here about crediting top-billed actors separately from the main run of actors as you would find on most mainstream films. This is usually during the opening credits, but not always (example: on the LOTR films the main actors are listed at the start of the end credits, then are also credited in alphabetical order in the main credit list). So the question is, now that we have dividers and are able to credit people more than once, do you want this sort of information in the online database? Here is an example that James posted in the other thread: I hope he doesn't mind me borrowing it! Please note: we are only talking about films, TV series will need more discussion. Also, in order to do this, the top-billed cast must be credited separately in the film - it's not up to the user to decide who is part of the main cast and who isn't. | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 775 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm not sure I see the point; you get the occasional film where some actors will be listed up to three times; once in the opening credits, once in the end credits as in the LotR example you cited, and again in the full end credits block. I don't even see what is gained from adding them twice. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 813 |
| Posted: | | | | I think it is a great idea for films with alphabetical/order of appearance credits. Edit: As goodguy noted in the other thread this makes reports etc that only show the first 10 or so actors work for the above where the first billed are not the main stars. | | | Andy
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | As Lopek says, it's so people can use the Movie Pick and run reports etc. and know they'll get the stars of the film listed as opposed to whoever appeared first or whose name begins with 'A'. |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | I think the best is just to move the top-billed actors first without duplicating them. But that needs to give some indications about who are "top-billed actors ". | | | Images from movies |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | As I said in the other thread... I personally prefer it the way it is now. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Seems most people agree! For now, anyway... | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | My method utilizes functionality of the program that was not present when the rules were written years ago. This is something that became an option with 3.0. I can also say that it's not an "occasional film". Since I've been looking for these in my local db, I've found it to be quite frequent...or at least frequent enough that it's kept me pretty busy setting all of these up on my own. Pete mentioned in the other thread that using only the end credits is more accurate to the disc itself. However, I find this dual method to actually be more accurate as it represents the full cast credits of the film. There's nothing that affects 'as credited' here. In fact, it's more 'as credited' than just using the end credits! The end credits are preserved exactly as credited, while the beginning credits are added to utilize functionality of the program. Quoting Nadja: Quote: I'm not sure I see the point; you get the occasional film where some actors will be listed up to three times; once in the opening credits, once in the end credits as in the LotR example you cited, and again in the full end credits block. I don't even see what is gained from adding them twice. It helps when you are scanning profiles because you can see who the main actors are in the cast. With an alphabetical or 'order of appearance' listing, you don't get that. Here's another example from my collection: With the cast from the end credits, in my PDA, I would see Holly Hunter and Dan Hedaya listed in the details view as the main actors for this film. By adding the top billed actors from the beginning credits, I now see Ewan McGregor and Cameron Diaz as the main actors. In this case, it's a better choice for the top 2 actors since they are the main stars of the film: A Life Less Ordinary Region 1 Released: 8/3/1999 Widescreen 2.35:1 In the standard layout provided by Invelos for the cast list, on my monitor, I see the top 10 actors in a cast list without scrolling. With "Alexander", for example, this means that I don't see Colin Farrell unless I utilize the dual credit method since he is the 20th name listed in order of appearance in the end credits. This method helps with reports too since often reports will list just a few of the top actors from the cast list. As goodguy pointed out in the other thread: Quoting goodguy: Quote: It should be pointed out that the current rules damage program functionality in various areas, including: Movie Pick Detail View Reports PDA I've just found it helpful for me and I shared it in the other thread in case others would find it useful. Quoting northbloke: Quote: I hope he doesn't mind me borrowing it! No problem. | | | ...James
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,918 |
| Posted: | | | | I like it, but don't mind it the way it is either. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | I like it, but am also thinking about the amount of work that would be required to do all this.
Also, we would need to come up with a better divider title. "Actors" doesn't seem to quite cut it. | | | Hal |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,203 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: Seems most people agree!
For now, anyway... Thay might be because of the way the poll is worded. I will admit that it slightly confused me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Quote:
Also, we would need to come up with a better divider title. "Actors" doesn't seem to quite cut it. That's not a divider and not part of the data entry. That's just how I chose to crop what's seen in the "My Profiler" version of this profile. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting northbloke:
Quote: Seems most people agree!
For now, anyway...
Thay might be because of the way the poll is worded. I will admit that it slightly confused me. Which bits? I'll edit any bits you think don't make sense. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I don't know... it all made sense to me. But that could be because I read the other thread too. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,203 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,022 |
| Posted: | | | | I'd personally prefer to leave them as they are now | | | |
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