Quoting topbaer.de:

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cool picture.

i actually added a Scan of HD-DVD Australia Version from
V for Vendatta without Banner and Case. (the one in the DB is without Back Image)
That`s how i always will handle this,
if this change later, i will not add HD Covers anymore to the DB.
I will scan then and add, then lock the Image Profile. 


The Format of the Cover is actully this, the Banner is on the Case, not the Paper.
And for me, it`s too much time wasting searching, downloading the actual right banner, resize the Scan and add the Banner!
When this will be made automaticly by the Server Upload Process, then i give a shiitake mushroom about it.
But i will never ever add a banner.

That`s my Opinion.

regards
michael

Please don't take this as a personal attack because it isn't meant that way.  I have seen more than a few people express this sentiment, you just happen to be the latest.

There are a lot of things I don't like about the rules.  There are more growing each day.  However, I create profiles based on them and contribute.  There is no other way for the db to grow.  Once I have submitted a profile, I change it so it matches what I want and lock it down.  Is it a little extra work?  Yes, but as I said, it is the only way the db is going to grow.

I just don't understand the "If I can't do it my way I refuse to contribute" mentality. 

Quoting Unicus69:

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Quoting topbaer.de:

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And for me, it`s too much time wasting searching, downloading the actual right banner, resize the Scan and add the Banner!
When this will be made automaticly by the Server Upload Process, then i give a shiitake mushroom about it.
But i will never ever add a banner.

That`s my Opinion.

regards
michael

Please don't take this as a personal attack because it isn't meant that way.  I have seen more than a few people express this sentiment, you just happen to be the latest.

There are a lot of things I don't like about the rules.  There are more growing each day.  However, I create profiles based on them and contribute.  There is no other way for the db to grow.  Once I have submitted a profile, I change it so it matches what I want and lock it down.  Is it a little extra work?  Yes, but as I said, it is the only way the db is going to grow.

I just don't understand the "If I can't do it my way I refuse to contribute" mentality. 

I respect the rules, i just said, that i personally will not spend additional Time to add some banner, where i never see any positiv thing with. So when the rule is different to my opion, then i do add my work and respect the Rule.

I`m still living in a free country with free speech.
If someone else is in the mood to add the banner to the scan, then that is his opinon. If some else have this time to do it, then it`s ok. I don`t have the Time.
but i think that a good cover scan is more then enough.
there are ways to add the banner automatically, but that it`s a programmer job.

I just added 5 DVDs to the DB, where i hardly belive, that not many other people will ever own this kind of dvd and use the DVD Profiler (too fast to race,audi à la une, Pikes Peak - race to the clouds, audi quattro, the full story) but  i added that to the Profiler, while i would have all DVDs in the Programm, so i contribute them later.

On topic again:
I will not stop adding Contributions, but i will then not add this kind of cover, when the People  decide
to make that as a rule.
Actually, i think this Cover with Scans look bad. 
And what in Profiler 2.4 Days was ok, don`t has to be ok in the Profiler 3.x Days.


michael

Quoting RHo:

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While there are substantially more covers with banner than without, I do still defend my statement that there is no established convention, specially considering that most of the profiles have no cover or crap cover images.

I'd like to re-introduce "Option D" from my forgotten poll, aka "Scan them in the manner that suits you the best."

Adding a "top logo/banner" shouldn't be a "requirement," both with and without should be acceptable, final say goes to the voters re: the quality.

No comment on the lower quality mention which I have to assume includes the scans by Paul and I.

PS: Yes, this creates a bit of an inconsistency, but "regular" scans can be inconsistent as anything too, a long series with various users scanning different covers for instance, colors and levels varying greatly, et al.

Quoting RHo:

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Ok, just because you have asked sooo nicely.

I have downloaded all 1264 HD profiles (HD DVD and Blue-ray) from all localities.

Thanks for counting all the 1264 HD DVD & Blu-ray profiles,   I'm sure that was a lot of work.

Quoting Erik:

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No comment on the lower quality mention which I have to assume includes the scans by Paul and I.

Hey!

Quoting Erik:

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Adding a "top logo/banner" shouldn't be a "requirement," both with and without should be acceptable, final say goes to the voters re: the quality.

The only problem I can see with this is the inconsistency that will develop for both the on-line and mobile profilers which receives the scans from the main database.
There would need to be a way of adding the banner as an option to differentiate between the 3 formats.

Paul

Quoting dirk_steitz:

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And blu-ray isn't an option for me right now because of the regional coding.

Have you looked at the quote how many Blu-Rays REALLY USE region-coding?

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Quoting Paul Hillenbrand:

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THERE IS AN "ESTABLISHED CONVENTION" IN THE DATABASE FOR U.S. RELEASES!
How many is enough for other countries? 

You haven't even presented the factual total numbers that you said "you have seen" and then stated that its "more than enough" and it's not established.

So far, the only basis for change of course in this thread has been inaccurate generalizations of the facts.

Paul

Ok, just because you have asked sooo nicely.

I have downloaded all 1264 HD profiles (HD DVD and Blue-ray) from all localities.

I have counted 194 profiles which feature a high resolution scan without the banner nor the case.

383 profiles feature the banner on the front cover and no banner on the back cover. In that category there are scans where the banner has probably been added afterwards with image processing and a majority of them have simply been scanned with the case and are usually of lower quality.

From the rest (687 profiles) a small part does not fit in either category (slip covers, custom cases) or are simply crap (no cover, DVD cover, promotional pictures, low res etc.)

While there are substantially more covers with banner than without, I do still defend my statement that there is no established convention, specially considering that most of the profiles have no cover or crap cover images.

Thank you for your time and effort in counting these for us.

While I clearly take the side of not adding a banner to the scans, I understand why a few of you want them. To solve that problem, I feel there needs to be a modification to the mobile program. Adding an icon in the mobile version is an excellent suggestion because it identifies all of these rather than relying on the inconsistencies of scan contributions. Requiring a banner be added to all of the high def format scans is the wrong way to go about it and clearly, does not resolve the mobile issue in a conclusive manner anyway because it relies on the hopelessly inconsistent scan contributions.


The biggest problem we have to face is that there is no consensus and we are split between "banner" and "no banner". I can't help but wonder if adding the suggested icon to the mobile version would settle the debate because identifying high def DVDs seems to be one of the most popular reasons given for requiring the banners. Actually, adding an icon in both versions of DVD Profiler may be the single best solution.

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.......I have looked a second time through only the HD DVD profiles featuring the banner. This has been easy because I have tagged them. I have seen an awful lot of scans contributed by Erik, m.cellophane, and (not so much) by Paul Hillenbrand.

This is true.  For U.S. releases, I have 97 HD DVD and 95 Blu-ray profiles which = currently 192 profiles.
On the HD DVD side, I find I don't need to contribute as many because others like Erik and m.cellophane provide them, but on the U.S. Blu-ray side, the majority of profiles are contributed by ljbarnhill, and usually I need to contribute the scans.

Since Ken OK'd the contributions of both HD formats to the DVD Profiler database, many of us serious early adopters discovered with actual use, how important it becomes to readily see the differentiation between the 3 different formats that are mixed in the same lists.

It didn't seem important to me when I just started adding the 2nd format HD DVD, to my 1600+ DVD's, but after 26 profiles and then starting Blu-ray's, I saw an acute need for the Banner.  Before that, I actually didn't want the banner either.  From then on, I went back and started re-contributing all the scans of my HD collection, to include the Banners and that solved all my headaches.

That's  why I made the statement in Dan's first poll "If you don't have HD discs in a collection, you don't know the significance of the vote."

One format = No Problem, Two formats (a few HD DVD discs) = A  little hassle, Three formats = MAJOR headache.  But with the banners on the scans - the problems were eliminated.

Paul

Quoting Graveworm:

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Without a banner they are a completely different shape so easy to distinguish at a glance even if very small thumbnails. 2 years from now I suspect HD/Blu ray will be the norm

Graveworm,

Look at my on-line collection profile #'s 1797, 1798, 1799 and 1800.
HOW will I be able to tell the difference without a banner?

Paul