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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantcorkymcg
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While entering links for the Unrated versions of movies, I'm seeing a lot of "Rating Guidelines" for the Rated versions of movies. Should this be allowed?

Now, I do realize that some DVDs have both the Rated and Unrated versions on the same title, and in such case, I think they should be allowed. However, when released as separate titles, I don't think it should.

Does anyone agree with me on this?
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Not realy the links are still guidelines to the movies and additional information to that movie. There is also the advisory (rated or not) I guess. Do you have legaly unrated movies (feature) in the US? on DVD? The last discussion we had it seems this is not possible in the UK, as all dvd (feature) movie are required to be rated.
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Do you have legaly unrated movies (feature) in the US? on DVD?

Yes. It's fairly common. Most of the time it's theatrically released movies with some content added back in, but without the studio having gone to the ratings board to get a new rating. Also most of the time it's done for advertising purposes with the new content not making that much of a difference.

Sometimes though it could be something like a director's cut, which may be vastly different but the studio still didn't want to spend the time and money getting it a new rating.

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That seems impossible to me, because the title and (unrated) edition are separate fields and you can only submit links for title and year or individual profiles. So if a title is sold as both rated and unrated it's very likely the unrated version will contain guidelines (of the rated version).
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There are lots of Unrated movies in the USA, and while many times the Unrated versions don't contain anything that would be even remotely offensive to anyone - and it's apparent that the studios were just too lazy or cheap to resubmit the film for a new rating. However, there are many cases where the theatrical release received a PG or PG-13 rating, while the Unrated versions do contain material that would definately qualify it for an R (or, in a few rare cases, an NC-17 rating.)

Here's an example of what I was thinking: The Dukes of Hazard. The theatrical release is PG-13 in the US, do not contain a few scenes that are in the unrated version that would definitely have given the movie an R-rating. Clicking on the link that someone entered for a Rating Guideline brings up something for the PG-13 rated version of the movie, not for the Unrated version, and has no reflection of the additional violence and (full frontal) nudity not featured in the PG-13 rated movie.

So, isn't this linking to information that does not pertain to that particular title, and isn't that frowned upon (or prohibited)...
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I think as Daddy DVD explaind the linkage is with the title and date and not with the rating fields.
An NR dvd stays an NR and for now it is up to you to have them marked in DVD Profiler to the version you have NR or the rating on the DVD. It is not the additional rating from a rated DVD that will change this rating. The linking to the parental guidance sites is only informative information on the movie and not on the rating status of your actual dvd.
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From my experience, I've found that rated and unrated editions of the same film tend to have different UPC/EAN codes, so I can't see any problem with having the rating guidelines only attached to the rated DVD.
It sounds like these people have submitted based on title and year only, rather than attaching it to a specific DVD - which is what they should have done.
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I think as Daddy DVD explaind the linkage is with the title and date and not with the rating fields.
An NR dvd stays an NR and for now it is up to you to have them marked in DVD Profiler to the version you have NR or the rating on the DVD. It is not the additional rating from a rated DVD that will change this rating. The linking to the parental guidance sites is only informative information on the movie and not on the rating status of your actual dvd.


The problem with that is the information being linked to the DVD will be wrong.  As an example, 'Meet the Spartans' was released in theatres as a PG-13 movie.  The unrated DVD cut, of the film, does not meet the standards of a PG-13 movie.  Our DVD ratings are based on the main feature and nothing else.  Providing a link that says a film is rated, when it is not, is just wrong.

As North says, the rating should be attached to the specific DVD release, not to the title of the film.
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And wouldn't saying it was ok to link a rated movie's rating guidelines to an unrated movie be along the same lines as linking a DVD Review, when multiple DVDs of a particular title come out? (You wouldn't link a Criterion Release DVD Review to a Special Edition DVD - right?) So, why would rating guidelines be any different?
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I think as Daddy DVD explaind the linkage is with the title and date and not with the rating fields.
An NR dvd stays an NR and for now it is up to you to have them marked in DVD Profiler to the version you have NR or the rating on the DVD. It is not the additional rating from a rated DVD that will change this rating. The linking to the parental guidance sites is only informative information on the movie and not on the rating status of your actual dvd.


The problem with that is the information being linked to the DVD will be wrong.  As an example, 'Meet the Spartans' was released in theatres as a PG-13 movie.  The unrated DVD cut, of the film, does not meet the standards of a PG-13 movie.  Our DVD ratings are based on the main feature and nothing else.  Providing a link that says a film is rated, when it is not, is just wrong.

As North says, the rating should be attached to the specific DVD release, not to the title of the film.

if you go this way then nothing should have been linked at the title &  year, as all the information will be wrong to some releases.The guidance site link is additional information to the title for who wants to read it. It is not binding and is not saying that a NR title = PG-13. If you are not interested in those don't click them.
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And wouldn't saying it was ok to link a rated movie's rating guidelines to an unrated movie be along the same lines as linking a DVD Review, when multiple DVDs of a particular title come out? (You wouldn't link a Criterion Release DVD Review to a Special Edition DVD - right?) So, why would rating guidelines be any different?


any MQRE (movie review query engine) will link all reviews (whatever rated, non rated versions) of a movie title to that title and year. The same would go for the guidance sites.
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Rating guidelines are very different to movie reviews.
By your logic, all profiles should link to the BBFC ratings page even though they're only relevant to the UK releases.
They should be treated like DVD reviews and be linked to specific profiles.
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if you go this way then nothing should have been linked at the title &  year, as all the information will be wrong to some releases.


Nice try, but you are wrong.  A films official site will always be correct for the film regardless of the DVD region.  The original theatrical trailer will still be correct regarless of the DVD region.

Ratings, on the other hand, will not only differ by region but can differ by release.  As such, they should be attached to the individual profile only.

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The guidance site link is additional information to the title for who wants to read it. It is not binding and is not saying that a NR title = PG-13. If you are not interested in those don't click them.


Using this logic, every link should be assigned to every version of a film.  After all, anybody not interested need not click.  However, since Ken gave us the option of choosing either 'Title and Production Year' or 'This Profile Only,' I doubt that was the intent.

If a rating doesn't apply to every release of the film, it should not be linked to every release.  It should be linked to the profile it belongs to.  Additional information, that does not apply to the DVD in question, is useless.
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If a rating doesn't apply to every release of the film, it should not be linked to every release.  It should be linked to the profile it belongs to.  Additional information, that does not apply to the DVD in question, is useless.


That's kind of what I was trying to say... (c:
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Nice try, but you are wrong.  A films official site will always be correct for the film regardless of the DVD region.  The original theatrical trailer will still be correct regarless of the DVD region.

Ratings, on the other hand, will not only differ by region but can differ by release.  As such, they should be attached to the individual profile only.


wrong? maybe you are wrong!

It is not about the rating. The rating is on the DVD. If you continue your logic. All trailers should be local: language, HD <> non HD, subtitle, dubbed, Other rathing than the DVD.
All English pages should only be available to english locality DVD's. The German, French, ... have their films dubbed in their language so the English Information has nothing lost on their locality releases, ...

How do you think we are to link those sites to non us dvd's. Our are we forbidden to look at that available Information: Put a large sticker on it: US only. You don't have a clue what Ken want with those links. Ken just asked us to provided the links and give a sample how to do it. So we did.

The title of this thread says it all "Rating Guidelines" those are not Rating Sites.
this is a Rating site: The Believer

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Is the rating system a law? No, the rating system is strictly voluntary and carries no force of law


The guidelines still stands as the content from the rated movie is still present in the Not Rated Movie. You should only take in account that the movie also contains sections that are Not Rated.
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wrong? maybe you are wrong!


Maybe, but I doubt that I am.

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It is not about the rating. The rating is on the DVD. If you continue your logic. All trailers should be local: language, HD <> non HD, subtitle, dubbed, Other rathing than the DVD.
All English pages should only be available to english locality DVD's. The German, French, ... have their films dubbed in their language so the English Information has nothing lost on their locality releases, ...

How do you think we are to link those sites to non us dvd's. Our are we forbidden to look at that available Information: Put a large sticker on it: US only. You don't have a clue what Ken want with those links. Ken just asked us to provided the links and give a sample how to do it. So we did.


Have you not read any of Ken's clarifications on this issue?  If a film is made in France, French links can apply to every single profile for that title.  R1 sites, however, can only be applied to the specific R1 release.  Why would he tell us to do it that way?  Because sites from the films country of origin will always apply to that film.

Let me ask you something.  You are in Germany.  Do you add a link to the German rating sites for R1 profiles of R1 films ('Title and Production Year) or do you only add them to German releases ('This Profile Only)?

As for my having a clue what Ken wants, I never said I did.  I said I doubted he meant it the way you are doing it...and I still do as your way makes no sense...but I will make an attempt to find out.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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